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Re: Speaking Up on Racism

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Post by enitihas »

aries1980 wrote: post #34
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oscillating near the racial distribution of the population should be good enough.

In Hungary, in the 1920 a new legislation was introduced called "Numerus Clausus". This limited the admission to universities and public offices by the percentage of the ethnic ration within the country. > Its aim was to restrict the number of Jews to 6 percent, which was their proportion in Hungary at that time; the rate of Jewish students was approximately 15% in the 1910s. In 1928 – also because of the pressure of…

Many American Universities are trying to do the same thing though, but since they are spineless and don't want to admit the existence of a quota, they are resorting to shady tactics like qualifying applicants on "positive personality,” likability, courage, kindness".

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/15/us/harvard-universities-p...

Re: Speaking Up on Racism

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Post by froasty »

catalogia wrote: post #35
froasty wrote: post #22

I understand that Apple is a brand first and foremost, so it's no surprise that they're going to release token PR efforts and publicize their tax shelter non-profits. I also understand that activists, if they actually knew of the severity of working conditions in the Foxconn factories in Shenzen or the child slaves working in illegal cobalt mines in the Democratic Republic of the Congo to power their smartphones and…

ICE was preceded by the INS. I'm under the vague impression they did the same sort of stuff, but I admit I'm not really familiar with the practical differences between the former INS and ICE. > Alternate Facts and Fake News began in 2002 with the lies of WMDs in Iraq. This stuff definitely isn't new though. Those terms are nothing more than euphemisms for lies and propaganda, and the Second Iraq War definitely isn't…

Oh, certainly. The United States (and every other country with a hawkish foreign policy) uses atrocity propaganda to justify their wars to their citizens. The difference between Nayirah, the Gulf of Tonkin, the RMS Lusitania, et. al and the 2003 Invasion of Iraq is that American citizens and international observers knew the pretense was fabricated at the time. These same citizens and international observers protested the fabrication, the ensuring invasion, the total capture of the media by the administration, etc. The only people to whom it was an actual surprise that Iraq did not have WMDs were Bush's low-information voting constituents.

Re: Speaking Up on Racism

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Post by seemslegit »

"We commit to continuing to fight the forces of environmental injustice — like climate change — which disproportionately harm Black communities and other communities of color. "

I'm not sure what's more racist and insulting - for Apple to believe that many black people will appreciate them taking this as another opportunity to play PC bingo or for them to think that it doesn't matter if they do or not.

Re: Speaking Up on Racism

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Post by rvz »

dgrin91 wrote: post #21
awillen wrote: post #6

Am I the only one who's tired of these statements from corporations? I guess they're a relatively positive thing, but they feel so hollow. I got one from DoorDash yesterday, and it's tough not to roll my eyes at a company that has worked so hard to screw their drivers, many of whom are minorities, talk about how a food delivery service is fighting racism.

You can also see how hollow it is by how little they have at stake in their statements. Hong Kong has it much worse than the US protesters, where is Apple's statement on that? Once Apple puts their iPhone factories at risk then I'll start respecting their statements.

Well, both are injustices and Apple was 'wrong' before, given they reversed their decision [0] after being accused of double standards when Tim Cook defended their decision to side with China and censor HKMaps [1], suppressing the HK protestors. And now they backing this injustice and these protests?

Sounds like hypocrisy here.

[0] https://www.macrumors.com/2019/10/03/apple-bans-app-used-by-...

[1] https://www.macrumors.com/2019/10/11/tim-cook-defends-remova...

Re: Speaking Up on Racism

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Post by zepto »

kgraves wrote: post #40
zepto wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t start what? You seem to be manufacturing outrage against Apple based on nothing at all. Did you actually read what Tim Cook said? “We can do better.“ So it seems like you are in agreement with him that they can improve. Is there someone who you think is doing better, who Apple could learn from? Do you have any suggestions as to what has been shown to work?

Looks like the data means nothing to you then. I just told you they just aren't good enough. Anyone can say “We can do better.“, it's just another empty response. You know what they should do. Show me some improvements in the diversity numbers, then we can talk.

‘They aren’t good enough’ is just as empty as ‘we can do better’ is it not?

The difference is that Apple is at least showing their numbers, bad as they are.

Anyone can say ‘not good enough’.

You say that I know what they should do. I don’t, but the implication is that you do. There may be others here who also don’t.

Please tell us what they should do, if you know.

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