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Revolut staff claim they’ve been told to quit their jobs or be fired

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I also had bad experiences with Revolut including a completely unresponsive customer support. More importantly, what alternatives are available? Ideally: - has an API - reasonably priced or free - works in EU

Monzo is better in nearly all ways, except slightly worse exchange rates.

It's only available in the UK, not in the EU.

Re: Revolut staff claim they’ve been told to quit their jobs or be fired

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Being from the US it wasn't immediately clear to me why they would do this. Found the relevant part of the article: > In Poland, workers say they were told by their line managers and HR that they were underperforming and would be terminated if they didn’t leave voluntarily. But in Portugal mutual agreements stated that dismissals were a result of a reduction of 40 per cent in the group’s activity and a 30 per cent ex…

Why would any employee take that deal though? When would it make sense to have your employer tell you to quit because they don’t want to lay you off and you just do it??

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Monzo is better in nearly all ways, except slightly worse exchange rates.

It's only available in the UK, not in the EU.

Register in the UK and then move to the EU and it keeps working just fine. It's not like you need nearby branches...

Re: Revolut staff claim they’ve been told to quit their jobs or be fired

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Being from the US it wasn't immediately clear to me why they would do this. Found the relevant part of the article: > In Poland, workers say they were told by their line managers and HR that they were underperforming and would be terminated if they didn’t leave voluntarily. But in Portugal mutual agreements stated that dismissals were a result of a reduction of 40 per cent in the group’s activity and a 30 per cent ex…

Why would any employee take that deal though? When would it make sense to have your employer tell you to quit because they don’t want to lay you off and you just do it??

A company may threaten with disciplinary dismissal which in theory could diminish your prospects on the job market. I never heard of this being an actual problem (unless your position requires background checks) but maybe I just work in an industry that doesn't care about this stuff.

Re: Revolut staff claim they’ve been told to quit their jobs or be fired

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Being from the US it wasn't immediately clear to me why they would do this. Found the relevant part of the article: > In Poland, workers say they were told by their line managers and HR that they were underperforming and would be terminated if they didn’t leave voluntarily. But in Portugal mutual agreements stated that dismissals were a result of a reduction of 40 per cent in the group’s activity and a 30 per cent ex…

I find this approach really weird. I’m not sure about Poland, but at least in the the UK, for a mutual agreement (or settlement agreement) to be valid, the employee _must_ receive independent legal guidance. Anything else and the dismissal would be completely illegal. I’m not sure, but I would guess the Poland has similar or equivalent worker protections (the EU is generally pretty hot on worker protection). Which me…

In Poland legal consultation is not required and parting ways via mutual agreement is common here. While this system is often abused by companies there are many cases where it benefits employees too.

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It sounds like the employees are foreigners who are probably unfamiliar with the polish legal system, with no income or health insurance as more pressing issues.

> It sounds like the employees are foreigners who are probably unfamiliar with the polish legal system I would be a little surprised if this was true. One of the big reasons for Western European companies to hire in Poland is because Eastern European countries are very cheap. For most Western European companies, Polish people _are_ the foreigners (along with all the unfair preconceptions and prejudices that comes wit…

Actually, it is exceptionally easy as a foreigner to find a job in Poland and there’s a very big demand for them. Many multinationals move their seats to Poland for this. As a foreigner, you generally get higher than the Polish average salaries but still lower than in other countries.

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In the US it probably constitutes criminal fraud, as it's a transparent attempt to evade unemployment benefits. Again, though, Poland and the EU may be different.

It's definitely illegal if the employee was a EU citizen, but I'm not sure whether that's also the case if the employee isn't.

Are there EU-wide labor protection laws?

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• Don’t panic about cooking: get free dinners with Deliveroo • Start the day properly with fresh fruit and cereals So basically we expect you to be on site before breakfast and stay until after dinner

Or rather "we give you the option to work flexibly and be present either mornings or evenings and still get benefits". My employer provides breakfast and dinner in the office, and I don't think I actually know anyone who is present for both (but there is a 60-40 split on breakfast/dinner). I'm sure it happens, but interpreting it as a requirement is just bad faith.

When I used to work in an office on a typical 5 day week pattern I wouldn't be in the office for breakfast or for dinner

If there's a culture of people being on site working longer hours than 9-5 then thats something that will affect your job.

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Being from the US it wasn't immediately clear to me why they would do this. Found the relevant part of the article: > In Poland, workers say they were told by their line managers and HR that they were underperforming and would be terminated if they didn’t leave voluntarily. But in Portugal mutual agreements stated that dismissals were a result of a reduction of 40 per cent in the group’s activity and a 30 per cent ex…

I automatically assumed this was a ploy to dodge unemployment/redundancy benefits for employees. This also happens in the US. Much harder to get benefits if you voluntarily quit versus get fired or laid off.

Yes, indirectly.

Businesses in the US generally have to pay into unemployment "premiums" to the appropriate state labor dept. If the business has a lot of terminations, then its premiums go up. However, employees resigning doesn't result in higher unemployment premiums because those employees aren't eligible for unemployment benefits.

However, forcing employees to resign instead of be fired is a huge labor law violation, and in many states also constitutes unemployment fraud. On top of paying fines to the state labor dept, at a minimum you'd be paying employees for lost wages due to the unlawful terminations (or lost UE benefits)...and if the company is stupid enough to fight this in court, usually a much larger settlement or award for employees' financial losses plus treble damages (aka punitive damages). Usually ends up costing the company 10x of what they thought they would save.

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Or rather "we give you the option to work flexibly and be present either mornings or evenings and still get benefits". My employer provides breakfast and dinner in the office, and I don't think I actually know anyone who is present for both (but there is a 60-40 split on breakfast/dinner). I'm sure it happens, but interpreting it as a requirement is just bad faith.

When I used to work in an office on a typical 5 day week pattern I wouldn't be in the office for breakfast or for dinner If there's a culture of people being on site working longer hours than 9-5 then thats something that will affect your job.

Comparatively, my costs have gone up now that I'm WFH instead of going into the office, because I have to feed myself.

I used to arrive at the office for 7am, have a delicious breakfast, a delicious lunch, and take a doggy bag to go for dinner when I left at 4pm.

While that can sound terrible on the one hand, on the other hand, the cognitive load of having to make sure I have food for breakfast and/or dinner was wearing me down. Stocking a kitchen and cooking for one is no fun.

Work took all of that away, and all it cost me was spending an extra hour a day in the office. That saves me having to go to supermarkets to buy food, saves me having to cook, saves me having to clean, and means I can sit at a table and dine comfortably instead of doing takeaway and eating/drinking on the go.

You might argue I've been brainwashed. All I know is that it's been months since I last got fed at work, and as great as the choices on Deliveroo are, after 3 months of this garbage, I miss having real freshly cooked food prepared for me.

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