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Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by takeda »

vorpalhex wrote: post #40
zozbot234 wrote: post #7

Anti-racism sites are being knocked offline... and some people still think that white nationalists and nazi's are completely uninvolved in the street violence we've been seeing. Yeah right. This is Anonymous/4chan M.O., and it and "Antifa" are fake labels which white nationalists are using to cloak their violent plans.

Several of the "anonymous" (the hacker pseudo personality) accounts were moving in support of the protestors. It wouldn't surprise me if that triggered a backlash internally. So you probably have people from 4chan/Anonymous who are for the protestors.. and people from 4chan/Anonymous who are against it. I wouldn't use that as evidence Antifa isn't involved. I think the video evidence makes it clear there are plenty o…

> So you probably have people from 4chan/Anonymous who are for the protestors.. and people from 4chan/Anonymous who are against it.

4 Chan for the protesters? Have you ever visited their page?

> I wouldn't use that as evidence Antifa isn't involved. I think the video evidence makes it clear there are plenty of people involved in the violence.

FBI stated that they found no evidence of antifa involvement.

Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by santoshalper »

gaze wrote: post #61
bogwog wrote: post #50

I hate how the internet makes everyone think they're smarter than everyone else. Scheming malicious losers write fake news and propaganda to incite anger in stupid and naive people, then skeptics come across it and become paranoid and angry, and then they make fake news and propaganda to incite anger in stupid and naive people. But in the end, everyone involved is a stupid naive scheming malicious paranoid loser. Reg…

I'm picking up some equivocation between BLM protestors and white supremacists...

Didn't you know the truth is somewhere in the middle?

Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by bargl »

save_ferris wrote: post #60
bogwog wrote: post #50

I hate how the internet makes everyone think they're smarter than everyone else. Scheming malicious losers write fake news and propaganda to incite anger in stupid and naive people, then skeptics come across it and become paranoid and angry, and then they make fake news and propaganda to incite anger in stupid and naive people. But in the end, everyone involved is a stupid naive scheming malicious paranoid loser. Reg…

> The technology moved faster than our monkey brains could keep up. I think it’s important to remember the ways in which the internet has evolved that got us here. It’s not just a question of speed, but of incentives. The internet has long been a tool for huge tech companies to build businesses that can only exist as long as they remain largely unchecked and unregulated, and the stock market has cheered these efforts…

>Now, we’re seeing the cost of giving everyone the ability to post whatever they want without having sustainable solutions to combat weaponized speech without compromising legitimate dissenting speech. This mistake largely falls on the market for rewarding this shortsightedness for so long.

We've effectively connected and amplified the voice of every village idiot. Before, you knew who the village idiot was and you could ignore them. Now every village idiot gets a loud ass voice that goes to people who don't know them. All they know about the village idiot is they've got this idea that just crazy enough to work.

All of which is amplified by clustering like people across villages. So your village has an idiot and mine does. Now they're hanging out coming up with conspiracies and acting foolish. Which creates less diversity.

Facebook, Google, Twitter, Etc. are inherently tools against diversity of thought. Google wants to show me the last 10 videos I've watched for ages. Twitter, I don't use so i'm just lumping it in cuz everyone else seems to. Facebook at least shows me posts by people I know but again, people I know. In each of these cases it's up to the user to force diversity of thought into the platform.

Our technological world doesn't promote the healthy and hard dialogues needed for people to grow as people. If I want to talk about black issues, I have to find a place where 1) I will get encouraged to have tough conversations (with likes etc). 2) Others will be encouraged to do the same. 3) Conversations can be nuanced enough that people will learn. 4) It will be real conversations with people who you can build a relationship where at least you recognize their name. 5) It needs to also discourage bad behavior such as trolling or abuse.

I was going to lead into a conversation about how HN does or doesn't do this for me, but I think that'd detract from my overall idea. We need to figure out a way to encourage hard dialogue while refraining from encouraging trolling online. This seems to be a pretty hard thing to do without some sort of good localized human oversight, but IDK.

Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by [deleted] »

jedieaston wrote: post #33
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #10

I feel bad for Cloudflare saying this, but I really think this shows we need to democratize DDoS protection. It's become essentially mandatory if you're running a site which might face controversy, and in the long term I'm not sure we can rely on the continued goodwill of a handful of companies to make sure it's widely available.

What does that actually mean in practice? Government subsidized compute doesn't seem like something I'd trust all that much in practice (seems like it'd be ripe for censorship). So it'd have to be decentralized. If only IPFS was ready for prime time....

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Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by zozbot234 »

save_ferris wrote: post #60
bogwog wrote: post #50

I hate how the internet makes everyone think they're smarter than everyone else. Scheming malicious losers write fake news and propaganda to incite anger in stupid and naive people, then skeptics come across it and become paranoid and angry, and then they make fake news and propaganda to incite anger in stupid and naive people. But in the end, everyone involved is a stupid naive scheming malicious paranoid loser. Reg…

> The technology moved faster than our monkey brains could keep up. I think it’s important to remember the ways in which the internet has evolved that got us here. It’s not just a question of speed, but of incentives. The internet has long been a tool for huge tech companies to build businesses that can only exist as long as they remain largely unchecked and unregulated, and the stock market has cheered these efforts…

"Weaponized" speech is an Orwellian phrase. You can weaponize weapons, but legitimate speech (outside of clear and present danger, like inciting lawless action or shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater) should always be responded to with speech.

Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by KineticLensman »

save_ferris wrote: post #60
bogwog wrote: post #50

I hate how the internet makes everyone think they're smarter than everyone else. Scheming malicious losers write fake news and propaganda to incite anger in stupid and naive people, then skeptics come across it and become paranoid and angry, and then they make fake news and propaganda to incite anger in stupid and naive people. But in the end, everyone involved is a stupid naive scheming malicious paranoid loser. Reg…

> The technology moved faster than our monkey brains could keep up. I think it’s important to remember the ways in which the internet has evolved that got us here. It’s not just a question of speed, but of incentives. The internet has long been a tool for huge tech companies to build businesses that can only exist as long as they remain largely unchecked and unregulated, and the stock market has cheered these efforts…

Agree

> can only exist as long as they remain largely unchecked and unregulated

Or they own the regulations (e.g. via regulatory capture) or are large / embedded enough that regulations, while undesirable, serve as a useful barrier to new competitors

Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by devtul »

zozbot234 wrote: post #7

Anti-racism sites are being knocked offline... and some people still think that white nationalists and nazi's are completely uninvolved in the street violence we've been seeing. Yeah right. This is Anonymous/4chan M.O., and it and "Antifa" are fake labels which white nationalists are using to cloak their violent plans.

In one side we have plenty of long running antifa twitter accounts pushing for violence, on the other we have bogaloo meme pages of people who appose gov abusing their 2A rights.

But now we are supposed to believe antifa and BLM has nothing to do with the death and destruction in the riots. The push for this propaganda is everywhere and it looks like the scapegoat will be the bogaloo meme pages.

Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by scottlocklin »

As usual with this sort of "people doing things online" thing; a completely vacuous conspiracy theory. Here is the actual source article:

https://blog.cloudflare.com/cyberattacks-since-the-murder-of...

Here is the plot showing something allegedly different happening this month:

https://blog-cloudflare-com-assets.storage.googleapis.com/20...

What's the p-value on a t-test of difference there, cloudflare spooks? By eyeball there is no difference.

Then a completely unsubstantiated assertion: "The category with the biggest increase in cyberattacks was Advocacy Groups with a staggering increase of 1,120x."

What are these Advocacy Groups of which you speak? The BBC implies it's the NAACP or something; Cloudflare spooks don't say at all -for all we know these "activist" websites are terrorists, racists, anarchist revolutionaries, video game fans: nobody but Cloudflare knows, assuming they're not just making it up, or making a mistake in their group-by query.

Rather than reading this BBC report critically as the piece of nonsense propaganda it is, people on HN seem determined to fit it into whatever fantasies about Russians or Evil 4chan Racist Infiltrators or Weapons of Mass Destruction or whatever (mostly imaginary) bugaboos they're troubled by this week. Disgusting. Fools.

Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by Covzire »

krapp wrote: post #79
Covzire wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have to start avoiding latin names in things now? Fuck that. Are you sure you're not generalizing a bit too much?

Feel free to stand in line behind the people upset that white supremacists ruined the swastika (for half the planet), the toothbrush mustache, Norse mythology, American conservatism, the name Adolf, social media, leather trenchcoats, and various numbers and memes and direct your outrage at the proper target when your number is called.

Or we can stop building new stereotypes and using generalities in silly ways.

Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by catsdanxe »

bogwog wrote: post #50

I hate how the internet makes everyone think they're smarter than everyone else. Scheming malicious losers write fake news and propaganda to incite anger in stupid and naive people, then skeptics come across it and become paranoid and angry, and then they make fake news and propaganda to incite anger in stupid and naive people. But in the end, everyone involved is a stupid naive scheming malicious paranoid loser. Reg…

>The technology moved faster than our monkey brains could keep up. Maybe Ted was right...
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