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Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by gaze » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:44 PM UTC

bogwog wrote: post #50

I hate how the internet makes everyone think they're smarter than everyone else. Scheming malicious losers write fake news and propaganda to incite anger in stupid and naive people, then skeptics come across it and become paranoid and angry, and then they make fake news and propaganda to incite anger in stupid and naive people. But in the end, everyone involved is a stupid naive scheming malicious paranoid loser. Reg…

I'm picking up some equivocation between BLM protestors and white supremacists...

Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by rsynnott » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:46 PM UTC

eropple wrote: post #20

krapp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't feed the trolls. This is coming from a ten minute old green account.

In addition to green usernames, a pretty common tell is the "Latin"(-ish) username. The white supremacist segment of the population loves it some Rome. It is by no means indicative, but over time, if you pay attention, you end up with a bunch of heuristics that can help you identify good-faith arguments versus malicious ones.

Mis-spelt Latin, at that!

Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by X6S1x6Okd1st » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:46 PM UTC

vsareto wrote: post #30

AlexandrB wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just them, but also more recent stuff like the boogaloo movement[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_movement Edit: RE: Antifa as a "fake label". This might be true in specific cases, but there's an actual anti-fascist movement happening as well.

>but there's an actual anti-fascist movement happening as well. Movement as in organized movement, or just more people identifying as antifa?

As the ability to coallese around an idea instead of an organization increases due to the cost of communication continuing to drop I think we'll continue to see more and more actual movements that can not really be thought of as an organized movement. Occupy wall street was an actual movement, BLM has no centralized leadership, 2011 london riots were actually reasonably well coordinated, but lacked any centralized leadership.

Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by maest » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:48 PM UTC

blockmarker wrote: post #41

zozbot234 wrote: post #7

Anti-racism sites are being knocked offline... and some people still think that white nationalists and nazi's are completely uninvolved in the street violence we've been seeing. Yeah right. This is Anonymous/4chan M.O., and it and "Antifa" are fake labels which white nationalists are using to cloak their violent plans.

So, some script kiddies buy a botnet and take down a few websites, and that means that the arson, looting and general violence is all the fault of white supremacists? That makes no sense.

Do you have any indication that the attacks were performed by script kiddies or that the targeted websites were even susceptible to such attacks?

Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by skciva » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:49 PM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #56

I was under the impression that these kinds of kids and hackers DDoS-ing sites for fun or activism were virtually all socially liberal, so attacks on government and military websites make sense to me. But I'm truly surprised to see anti-racism sites suffering from these attacks. Is there really a racist contingent of hackers out there? I just never thought of the two going together. Or is this more likely to be more…

There are racists in every profession and walk of life. If you believe that being a hacker / someone with tech skills precludes you from having prejudice I hope you reflect on that belief.

Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by 1MachineElf » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:50 PM UTC

AlexandrB wrote: post #12

zozbot234 wrote: post #7

Anti-racism sites are being knocked offline... and some people still think that white nationalists and nazi's are completely uninvolved in the street violence we've been seeing. Yeah right. This is Anonymous/4chan M.O., and it and "Antifa" are fake labels which white nationalists are using to cloak their violent plans.

Not just them, but also more recent stuff like the boogaloo movement[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_movement Edit: RE: Antifa as a "fake label". This might be true in specific cases, but there's an actual anti-fascist movement happening as well.

Feeling doubtful about this Wikepedia article and the recent MSM coverage of "boogaloo" stuff.

I've been members of "boogaloo" groups and followed "boogaloo" pages on FB for years now. They've all been "left" in terms of message and the majority of members. Never seen a single far-right one until now, so I'm wondering how much of this is being manufactured.

Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by dfxm12 » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:50 PM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #56

I was under the impression that these kinds of kids and hackers DDoS-ing sites for fun or activism were virtually all socially liberal, so attacks on government and military websites make sense to me. But I'm truly surprised to see anti-racism sites suffering from these attacks. Is there really a racist contingent of hackers out there? I just never thought of the two going together. Or is this more likely to be more…

Is there really a racist contingent of hackers out there?

Yes.

I just never thought of the two going together.

Why not? It's not like hacking is a social ideology in and of itself. It's not like racists or other non-socially liberal people can't grasp the idea of hacking.

Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by simonh » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:51 PM UTC

vsareto wrote: post #30

AlexandrB wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just them, but also more recent stuff like the boogaloo movement[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_movement Edit: RE: Antifa as a "fake label". This might be true in specific cases, but there's an actual anti-fascist movement happening as well.

>but there's an actual anti-fascist movement happening as well. Movement as in organized movement, or just more people identifying as antifa?

Antifa are very well organised and very much a real thing. Of course like minded people get involved locally as well, so there are probably a lot more people 'identifying as Antifa' than long term Antifa people, but they are a persistent organised group and some people are into it full time. Luis Enrique Marquez is a well known example.

Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:52 PM UTC

blockmarker wrote: post #41

zozbot234 wrote: post #7

Anti-racism sites are being knocked offline... and some people still think that white nationalists and nazi's are completely uninvolved in the street violence we've been seeing. Yeah right. This is Anonymous/4chan M.O., and it and "Antifa" are fake labels which white nationalists are using to cloak their violent plans.

So, some script kiddies buy a botnet and take down a few websites, and that means that the arson, looting and general violence is all the fault of white supremacists? That makes no sense.

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Re: Anti-racism sites hit by wave of cyber-attacks

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:54 PM UTC

Softcadbury wrote: post #9

zozbot234 wrote: post #7

Anti-racism sites are being knocked offline... and some people still think that white nationalists and nazi's are completely uninvolved in the street violence we've been seeing. Yeah right. This is Anonymous/4chan M.O., and it and "Antifa" are fake labels which white nationalists are using to cloak their violent plans.

Some people (countries?) just want chaos

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