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Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

#171
post #45

Well said and all best wishes for the future. > My last day will be June 12th. Well ... it might just come a little sooner than that ;-) Much respect. I salute you.

> Well ... it might just come a little sooner than that ;-) Why would it come sooner? You think they would fire him a week early just so he can claim unemployment from them?

No, not fire him - he's just resigned - I mean put him on "gardening leave" from now until his official last day.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

#172
post #138

He’s standing up for what he believes. You can disagree with his convictions, but you should admire anyone who risks personal and financial consequences for sticking to their guns. That’s what actual morality is—not just a “belief” that is talked about but acted upon even when the results will be costly.

He's trading practically 0 money (actually might be paid more in his next job if he selects one with a bit less growth potential) for a lot of virtue signaling value. I mean nothing evil, but not that admirable and altruistic. Real good deeds aren't announced.

That seems precisely wrong to me. It's not about the individual scoring some sort of "virtue points", it's about spurring change. He could certainly just quit and not tell anyone but that would sort of defeat the purpose. It's not like Facebook is really going to miss any one engineer. But if their employees start to leave en masse then they will absolutely notice and try to deal with it.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

#173
post #113

I wonder if this is related to JWZ's call yesterday for Facebook employees to quit. [edit: Removed link. JWZ: Not cool. Archive.org link in reply below]

JWZ links to disgusting image when accessed with HN as referrer, I suggest you remove this link.

Holy shit. I was wondering why so many old hn accounts were linking to an insulting meme and this was upvoted in few other threads so I wonder what those people saw.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

#174
post #138

He’s standing up for what he believes. You can disagree with his convictions, but you should admire anyone who risks personal and financial consequences for sticking to their guns. That’s what actual morality is—not just a “belief” that is talked about but acted upon even when the results will be costly.

He's trading practically 0 money (actually might be paid more in his next job if he selects one with a bit less growth potential) for a lot of virtue signaling value. I mean nothing evil, but not that admirable and altruistic. Real good deeds aren't announced.

Literally every single thing anyone does publicly is "virtue signalling". The hope is that by publishing this he may inspire other employees to do the same.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

#175
post #49

I don't understand why doesn't Facebook just: -Allow all posts -Allow users to customize what they want to see (e.g. "dont show me posts that glorify violence" or "only allow covid posts that match WHO guidelines" or "allow exceptions from political figures or of historical significance") and allow users to ban hide posts that are found untruthful by third parties (snopes, etc). To me effectively everyone wins. Faceb…

Of course. That is exactly what FB should be doing and its likely where Twitter is going as well. Nothing else is sustainable. What exactly gives a bunch of 20 to 30 year old privileged nerds the moral authority or wisdom to decide what information the country gets access to? Pardon my French, but fuck that.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

#176
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a highly privileged position to be in to make a personal stand and leave your $250,000 job for another $250,000 job. Not judging this way or that, just saying.

Of course it is. Arguably the people with that privilege should have more obligation to exercise it in the service of what’s right.

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Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

#178
I've never seen so many people try to censor a political rival as recently with President Trump.

If you can make a compelling argument in the marketplace of free ideas, you don't need to censor.

If they are going to censor Trump for calling the looters 'thugs', they need to censor the people calling for violence against cops (which is way worse)

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

#179

The engineer describes Facebook as being on the "wrong side of History." I take this opportunity to remind my fellow readers that History is not an infallible goddess to be worshipped. The moral arc of the past several hundred years has bent towards liberty and tolerance, but this has not been consistent and was not inevitable. It is precisely when your values are on the "wrong side of History" that you should be def…

I think you don't understand the phrase. Optimists believe that the future will be better, that people will be wiser. They believe that those future enlightened people will look back at some people and actions, and believe that they were on the wrong side of history. It's not a popularity contest. It's a belief that we get better over time by making moral actions. "It is precisely when your values are on the 'wrong s…

We have gathered here, by and large, to discuss and cheerlead a campaign which calls for political censorship of a major political figure, one who earned the vote of just under half of the USA. We assembled beg for a world in which a megacorporation will enact content restrictions, deciding what types of view are acceptable to express.

The politician in question, far from offering a meaningful alternative that advances freedom, attempts to use his office to restrict opposing speech as well. He may well win re-election and further implement policies which advance the ideas the Facebook employee objects to.

Elsewhere in the world, the Chinese Communist Party builds its surveillance state, installing their secret police in Hong Kong to crush protests.

Free speech may die within my lifetime, and the Chinese Communist Party in particular is fairly well positioned to make a claim that history will be on their side. Of course I'm a god damn pessimist.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

#180
post #49

I don't understand why doesn't Facebook just: -Allow all posts -Allow users to customize what they want to see (e.g. "dont show me posts that glorify violence" or "only allow covid posts that match WHO guidelines" or "allow exceptions from political figures or of historical significance") and allow users to ban hide posts that are found untruthful by third parties (snopes, etc). To me effectively everyone wins. Faceb…

My bet is most people would not realize this was available and would continue to see whatever the default options were. And so you get back to square one, what should the defaults be?

That is not square one, its a far better place than where we are now.
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