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iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by Kronen »

sgt wrote: post #254

"The looming demise of macOS as a developer platform". There's some sentiment these days on HN about this but personally I think it's hogwash. No platform is perfect, but macOS to me is as close as you can get to a developer's dream workstation / laptop. Remember all those years when we dreamed of a Unix with a proper UI? Well, it exists. Windows doesn't even come close. I'd rather go Linux before Windows as a develo…

Yep, it absolutely depends on industries and countries, because 100% of developers I work with use Windows.

Re: iMessage for Windows: A labor of love that will never see light of day (2018)

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Post by saagarjha »

sq_ wrote: post #299
saagarjha wrote: post #181

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I really like the "Liked" reaction after a former boss used it to signify "+1".

I've found that, in my social groups, "Liked" gets used as an acknowledgement for anything that doesn't require further discussion. Seems to clear up group chats of endless OKs back and forth, so I'm all for it.

Yup, exactly. I think that by itself makes it my most used reaction by an order of magnitude.

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Post by paulcarroty »

MagnumOpus wrote: post #287
RC_ITR wrote: post #161

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99% of Americans don’t want to be funneled to WhatsApp or signal for group chat. They want it to live right next to their native texts. Your group is likely different from the mainstream.

Which is why 99% of Americans get a to live in a shitty Nash equilibrium of either being socially ostracised and excluded or being locked into an expensive monopoly of a single smart phone vendor.

Good luck to live as Google 1984-like bootnet.

Sadly, Librem 5 future is unclear, so Apple is probably less evil here.

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Post by paulcarroty »

kiwijamo wrote: post #282
AnonC wrote: post #116

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If it’s of any solace, SMS is not reliable anywhere in the world. It may seem reliable sometimes in some places, but that’s mostly a facade.

SMS is very reliable here in New Zealand, even more so than any IP-based systems. I've had SMS get through easily in one-signal-bar situations where IP data was nearly inoperable (especially if I happened to be attached to a 2G GPRS cell). Wonder if SMS reliability is really an issue peciular to certain networks. SMS reliability has been good for me both in NZ and all the foriegn networks I have used in my travels ar…

With SMS you're forced to think about "where's that person live" and "can I send photos/videos and how many" to avoid crazy bills.

imessage/whatsapp just does the job without stupid questions.

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Post by saagarjha »

sytelus wrote: post #270
monadic2 wrote: post #250

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So you would prefer to keep open exploits around and approach with security-by-obscurity? Somehow I think Apple can muster the resources to respond to vulnerabilities in exactly the same way you’re claiming they respond to open source exploitation. You may have a point with much smaller projects, but this is apple and they can easily outfund exploiters before there’s mass exploitation according to your analysis of in…

That's not how it works. I think you have little idea, if any, how easy it is to find exploits if you had a source code vs if you didn't. With source code you can immediately see the conditions that will cause buffer overruns, for example. One of the huge target has always been jpeg decoder code in Chrome. If you can somehow figure out conditions that will result in buffer overrun, you will have exploit just by creat…

I doubt anyone will argue that it’s easier to find exploits in closed-source code, but it’s really not that much more difficult. Like, maybe an order of magnitude harder at most. To a nation-state, does it really matter that a zero day chain costs $100,000 rather than $1,000,000?

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Post by saagarjha »

sytelus wrote: post #279
saagarjha wrote: post #259

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Lack of source code is not stopping bad actors from looking at iMessage.

Availability accelerates the process by an order of magnitude.

Perhaps, but only one. Popularity is a much more important factor.

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Post by jen20 »

harpratap wrote: post #117
AnonC wrote: post #113

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No, WhatsApp does not bring the same features. WhatsApp is very different. You can react to messages in iMessage, which is just one among other features WhatsApp doesn’t have.

Yeah I mean there will little tiny things different on each app, but it's not a big deal breaker for many. Whatsapp is the biggest IM on the planet for a reason. People could easily ditch iMessage in favour of Whatsapp if they wanted to, but for some reason Americans don't do that.

The absolute deal breaker for WhatsApp for me is that it is owned by Facebook. There is zero chance I would consider using it for anything, ever, because of that fact.

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

collegeburner wrote: post #145
jamescostian wrote: post #79

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I'm 22 and live in a mid-sized city, and I've seen people trying to get into a relationship (or even something more casual, but not a platonic friendship) get rejected because of the dreaded "green bubbles" - and really, I'm not exaggerating. And not from rich people who have the latest iPhone either. In addition, I have been in friend groups that would exclude Android users because if you have even 1 Android user in…

High school senior here; I can second the prevalence of this experience starting in middle school. Oh and texting an i phone user sucks because those reactions come through like: Loved "blah blah blah" Please when texting us android plebians don't use those reaction things.

I actually like the "so and so Loved blah", because otherwise it would be really easy for non-iphone users to not know that someone actually acknowledged their message.

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Post by mrweasel »

aeyes wrote: post #167
pottertheotter wrote: post #156

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So people don't use SMS outside the US? I knew WhatsApp was big in other countries, but didn't realize no one even uses SMS not iMessage. What do people use in Europe?

In Europe: WhatsApp, no one uses SMS anymore because WhatsApp started getting popular when people still had to pay for each SMS sent. I currently live in South America, same story: Nobody uses iMessage, everybody is on WhatsApp. Even businesses prefer WhatsApp over phone calls. The biggest difference between Whatsapp users in Europe and South America that I observed has to be the crazy amount of people using voice me…

> In Europe: WhatsApp, no one uses SMS anymore

That's not true, it may be true for some parts of Europe, but other countries had free or extremely cheap SMS before WhatsApp even existed.

Depending on where you are in Europe SMS may still be vastly more popular than WhatsApp. It also depends on the audience. Most of my family still use SMS. Technically it's iMessage but they don't know the difference, and they certainly don't care how messages are transferred. The build in messaging app is what is used.

Personally I've seen WhatApp installed only by people who have a large number of friends in eastern European countries.

Edit: Just to be clear, Denmark have had the one of the most competitive markets for cellular in the world for the past 20 years. Prices have been driven ever downwards for the last 15 year. So calls and sms have almost always been cheap.

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