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Millions of Americans skipping payments as wave of defaults and evictions looms

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Re: Millions of Americans skipping payments as wave of defaults and evictions looms

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For most of my adult life (now I'm 34) I have spent 30-50% of any paycheck I've received on rent. In my country (Ireland) over the previous two generations, houses went from dirt cheap to extremely expensive. In the generation that came of age in the late 80s and early 90s, you could work a normal job and buy a house, easily. If you had a good job, you could buy several houses. Now, my generation. We came too late. H…

This is a problem for our generation actually. The two generations before us became rent seekers about everything and from what I can see %90 of current population is unable to acquire significant income to buy anything meaningful. We are going back to feudal times, with minority of population owning everything and others paying for the privilege of using them.

I think a big part of this is that suburbanization created a tremendous amount of (government subsidized via infrastructure) value that in many metro regions has all been scooped up now. There’s not much left to build outward, no arbitrage, and not enough political will to fix it (or: too many people benefitting from capturing the value).

And in combination globalization/corporatization has put a lot of high paying jobs in a small number of areas.

In my opinion it’s basically generational warfare or at least a hidden retirement tax paid for by professionals in booming cities for old people who happened to own property in those cities. Even if you don’t subscribe to that hot take, it should be uncontroversial that property values massively outstripping wages in some areas reduces quality of life and contributes to inequality.

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> if they can't pay the hundred bucks the government won't I sure don't care I used to have this same mentality. Until the person who was renting one of my properties decided to lie about certain issues (like claiming a shampoo bottle lodged down one of the toilets was there for years). When I decided to not renew the lease with that tenant, they decided to cause considerable damage to our property. Sometimes, when t…

> Sometimes, when things come easy to people, they don't appreciate it. Holding people accountable helps them lift themselves up too. Yea I’m invoking Poe’s law on this coming from a landlord. Are you trolling?

I would think not.

I assume section 8 is our equivalent of Housing Benefit. I know plenty of landlords who wont accept HB tenants because properties have come back absolutely trashed before.

Re: Millions of Americans skipping payments as wave of defaults and evictions looms

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There's more variance with small-time landlords. With a corporate overlord you know exactly what you're getting: they are going to be firm about sticking you to the exact terms of your lease and will raise your rent by the maximum possible each year, but you can also expect any maintenance issues to be taken care of quickly and they aren't going to feud with or retaliate against you. With a mom & pop you might get so…

True, though tenants in corporate owned single family housing all tell me it's closer towards the worst landlords. The corporations won't harass you, but they essentially don't want to do anything. You just get an expensive "as-is" house, which can be okay if it's in decent shape.

Specifically I was referring to large apartment buildings owned by corporations. Have never lived in a corporate owned SFH nor did I know that it was common. In my experience these large apartment buildings are quite proactive about getting anything fixed - likely because they have a team of people dedicated to doing that full time or at least contract it out, and just chalk it up to the cost of doing business.

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Providing a place to live for people has no value? What a ridiculous assertion.

Landlords take housing out of supply and extract rents from it. They produce nothing- the house was "provided" already, they just inserted themselves into the process.

They transform housing from one form to another. Some people find renting more convenient and flexible than buying.

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> I think you have a very misguided idea of what it's like to be a landlord Landlords are essentially social parasites, that extract economic benefit without producing anything of value.

Providing a place to live for people has no value? What a ridiculous assertion.

Property developers (and the people who actually physically construct housing) provide places for people to live. Landlords simply buy/own those places.

Those are almost always different groups in practice though I’m sure you could contrive a counterexample.

A landlord provides about as much value to a consumer as a stockholder does to a public company. Economically the landlord-tenant interaction is primarily a speculative/investment/arbitrage relationship rather than a service

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> Meanwhile stock market is preparing to for its record high :) Yes, and I don't understand it. The S&P500 is within 8% of its all-time high (3393). Even without a second wave of coronavirus cases and deaths, the current levels of unemployment, defaults, and bankruptices, I can't see what supports these asset price levels. Any ideas?

Stock market is a future prediction machine. The price isn't the current valuation

By that argument it should have never went down back in April :). These are self-comforting arguments in the same line of "oh, it's all priced in".

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Landlords take housing out of supply and extract rents from it. They produce nothing- the house was "provided" already, they just inserted themselves into the process.

They transform housing from one form to another. Some people find renting more convenient and flexible than buying.

If a few people didn't own a majority of residents the cost of owning a home would be cheaper.

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> Sometimes, when things come easy to people, they don't appreciate it. Holding people accountable helps them lift themselves up too. Yea I’m invoking Poe’s law on this coming from a landlord. Are you trolling?

I would think not. I assume section 8 is our equivalent of Housing Benefit. I know plenty of landlords who wont accept HB tenants because properties have come back absolutely trashed before.

Isn’t that the risk rent is supposed to ameliorate? Otherwise where is the risk of renting property that justifies a middleman?

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A wave of more layoffs will happen as soon as the Paycheck Protection quiet period ends. After June 30, companies that took PPP money are free to fire people without repercussion.

My company, an experiencial ad agency, furloughed all but 2 people in every non-finance Dept March 23, rehires everyone with big paycuts (me, 37% cut) April 27 through PPP.

No new business was able to be drummed up and now massive lay offs of 90% of the US offices starting June 15 with a paycheck severance so effectively June 30. The EU offices have faired better with more work, and few layoffs of only receptionists.

All and all it’s bleak for the events industry. I’m sure that a lot of convention centers, caterers, AV rental houses, independent producers, PAs, will all be on the dole and you’ll see a huge spike in unemployment on Aug 1.

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> Of all the investment opportunities available to people, I'm not particular sympathetic to purchasing property to seek rents. If forbidding renting properties to tenants would solve problems, I would be on your side. People will always need to rent. A society has to allow them to without allowing them to be exploited. But once you allow renting, you have to protect property owners from tenant caused damage as well.…

Think lease-to-buy. That way the tenant has skin in the game. MY house was a school project. It was absurdly cheap to build as the construction workers had to pay to build it. If you account for market value the rent paid for the place 4-5 times by now. If you only take the original construction cost + maintenance its been paid for an absurd number of times, so many times over that I don't want to think about it. We…

The rent would have to increase a lot - why not just take the extra money, invest it and save for a down payment? Much faster than 40 years, tenant can live anywhere and there's no financial entanglement between landlord and tenant along the way.
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