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SoftBank launches $100m minorities startup fund

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Re: SoftBank launches $100m minorities startup fund

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That's a valid stance. But reflect on why it matters to you. So what if someone is giving special opportunities to someone based on their skin color, or their gender? There are plenty of special opportunities to go around for all of us. I think you'll get a lot of flak for this sentiment. But I used to feel the same way as you. What helped me change my mind was to realize that no one is taking away opportunities from…

> So what if someone is giving special opportunities to someone based on their skin color, or their gender? Because if it is done for white people, or to men, it would be heavily criticised for being racist/sexist. I am purely advocating for consistency, and for tackling the real problems (education, socio-economic, familial, etc.). I am sick of the corporate hypocrisy during COVID (we really care about you!), and we…

I hear you. But so what if it’s inconsistent? Why does it matter?

It’s a bit like criticizing SpaceX for spending so much money going into space when that money could be used here at home, to solve real problems.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but it sounds like the root cause of the frustration here is what you pointed out: Right now you can create a girls-only club, but not a boys-only club. But the truth seems to be that you can create a boys-only club, and people do. They just don’t call it that.

If the objection is that you can’t openly do that without being criticized, then that’s valid too. But that’s how people feel right now. It’s not possible to say “Well, you should feel differently.” Or at least not effective.

If an initiative is helpful, why not let them? After all, we don’t know if this will help.

Re: SoftBank launches $100m minorities startup fund

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Limiting initiatives like this based on skin color, implies that the reason for them needing help is their skin color. What about white people that come from low-socioeconomic backgrounds? Broken families? Didn't finish high-school? Abused as a child/teenager? Single parent family? Aren't these the real reasons why people are disadvantaged? People of all colors come from these backgrounds. I'm sick of the hypocrisy o…

I think you can have different initiatives targeting different issues. Like many have said, being a minority itself is a disadvantage. Cristian Cooper (Harvard grad) is an example.

But I also understand what you mean about people ignoring socioeconomic status or other issues when they are not at the center of the spotlight. I think it's quite clear most companies doing this just for PR. BLM movement has been going on for years, yet these companies never care to actively support it, until now that they've seen "oh shit, people actually care - better get on it now." Let's see whether this is truly a wake-up call for people to address injustices of all kind, starting with racial problem, or simply a 'trend'.

Re: SoftBank launches $100m minorities startup fund

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Trying to launder their reputation by using minorities as an excuse, shameful and transparent

These past few months have been endless blunders and bad news for SoftBank. They’re definitely not putting $100 million into a goodwill and equality fund. They’re putting 100 million into PR and advertising with the benefit of getting some returns. But companies do this because they know it works, so I guess I can’t say it’s a dumb financial move.

> with the benefit of getting some returns.

I've never understood this argument in the context of investing. If there was an opportunity to get outsized returns by investing in the people this targets, then investors would already be going after these opportunities, motivated by the returns alone. They wouldn't even need the social signaling aspect of announcing a fund like this. If anything, they'd probably keep such details of these good deals to themselves to avoid having too much money chase after such deals and raise the price of the deals and make their investing terms worse.

Re: SoftBank launches $100m minorities startup fund

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> SoftBank also runs the $100 billion Vision Fund, which is headed by Rajeev Misra and invests amounts larger than the entire new fund in startups around the world. Neither Rajeev Misra nor Masayoshi Son sound like “white” names. I find it fascinating how Asians in general are excluded from the term “people of color”.

Asians do not have a historical baggage in USA. Do they face similar racism/bias in general (ignore temporary surge like now by Corona)?

> Asians do not have a historical baggage in USA.

They were pretty abused and stereotypes in the 1800’s. The transcontinental railway was built in large parts by Chinese workers, but if you look at the famous photo when the two lines come together and are joined by the Golden spike, there are not present. Also, there were some pretty racist cartoons about Asians in popular periodicals. Not to mention the interning of Japanese Americans during WWII.

So I think it would be incorrect to say that Asians do not have a historical baggage in the USA.

Re: SoftBank launches $100m minorities startup fund

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> SoftBank also runs the $100 billion Vision Fund, which is headed by Rajeev Misra and invests amounts larger than the entire new fund in startups around the world. Neither Rajeev Misra nor Masayoshi Son sound like “white” names. I find it fascinating how Asians in general are excluded from the term “people of color”.

Asians do not have a historical baggage in USA. Do they face similar racism/bias in general (ignore temporary surge like now by Corona)?

You'd be surprised at how wrong that is.

Asians used to face a lot of discrimination in the US and very institutionalized one, not just of the "making fun of them by calling them Ching Chong" variety. There is a long and storied history, but it is never brought up because it provides some rather uncomfortable cognitive dissonances when trying to explain how Asian-Americans today are so much better off but other discriminated-against groups aren't. So you see the common trope where Asian-Americans and Indian-Americans are just passed over when talking about historical injustices because they don't fit the narrative.

The link below has a full history but, one of many points—

In 1882, Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act—the only United States Iaw to prevent immigration and naturalization on the basis of race—which restricted Chinese immigration for the next sixty years. The "Chinese Must Go" movement was so strong that Chinese immigration to the United States declined from 39,500 in 1882 to only 10 in 1887.

https://asiasociety.org/education/asian-americans-then-and-n...

Re: SoftBank launches $100m minorities startup fund

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Limiting initiatives like this based on skin color, implies that the reason for them needing help is their skin color. What about white people that come from low-socioeconomic backgrounds? Broken families? Didn't finish high-school? Abused as a child/teenager? Single parent family? Aren't these the real reasons why people are disadvantaged? People of all colors come from these backgrounds. I'm sick of the hypocrisy o…

I agree that there should be more funds that support all kinds of backgrounds so that we can increase the diversity of people in the VC space. This reminds me a lot of the discussions about affirmative action in the US, which is divisive on both sides, and I do see a strong argument for using class as the main determinant. However, black founders often mention that they are declined funding because they don't look si…

> I agree that there should be more funds that support all kinds of backgrounds so that we can increase the diversity of people in the VC space.

And what happens when a black-founder VC fund underperforms an Asian-founder VC fund?

Will we need another level of VC funds to fix that?

Re: SoftBank launches $100m minorities startup fund

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a valid stance. But reflect on why it matters to you. So what if someone is giving special opportunities to someone based on their skin color, or their gender? There are plenty of special opportunities to go around for all of us. I think you'll get a lot of flak for this sentiment. But I used to feel the same way as you. What helped me change my mind was to realize that no one is taking away opportunities from…

> So what if someone is giving special opportunities to someone based on their skin color, or their gender? Because it’s racist.

No. Racism in its broadest, widely-accepted usage, refers to the treatment of people based on the belief that one race is superior to another. This program, as far as I can tell, makes no claims about any race being superior to another race.

Re: SoftBank launches $100m minorities startup fund

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Limiting initiatives like this based on skin color, implies that the reason for them needing help is their skin color. What about white people that come from low-socioeconomic backgrounds? Broken families? Didn't finish high-school? Abused as a child/teenager? Single parent family? Aren't these the real reasons why people are disadvantaged? People of all colors come from these backgrounds. I'm sick of the hypocrisy o…

> Aren't these the real reasons why people are disadvantaged? No, or at least, not exclusively. There's tons of social science research in which, for example, two identical fabricated resumes were submitted for a battery of jobs, differing only by, say, a headshot of a black vs. white person, or a stereotypically-African-American name vs. a stereotypically white (or not-obviously-race-signaling) one. In these studies…

> No, or at least, not exclusively.

But primarily, right? Bias plays a role, so everything else being equal, a black applicant will receive fewer callbacks than a white or asian one, but (and that's a big but) the primary issue is that usually not all other things are equal.

The average black person comes from a different socioeconomic background than the average white or asian person, so they'll usually not have the same level of education, but less so because of being discriminated against because of their race, but because of their class. More single-parent households, lower household income, their parents can't simply afford to hire tutors and put them through college etc etc.

That's what makes these things somewhat weird. Yeah, sure, a black guy from a rich family that attended MIT will have a harder time finding funding than his white or asian friends from the same background ... but he'll have a much easier time than some white kid from a broken home.

I believe two things to be true: class is the primary factor, not race. And it's more convenient to focus on race because it's much easier and feels less threatening to the (usually upper middle class and beyond) proponents. "We (as white people) need to share more" puts them in a group with (for the US) 60% of the population and is pretty abstract. Great for virtue signalling, terrible for concrete actions. "We (as rich people) need to share more" puts them in a much, much smaller group and suggests they could actually do something besides yelling at people to check their privilege: share some of the money they inherit. Great for doing something, terrible for virtue signalling because "well, put your money where your mouth is" is so obvious.

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