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Post by hnick »

brigandish wrote: post #253
lancesells wrote: post #248

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That's like saying television networks are required to give you a show for your free speech. Social networks are private companies built for profit. For better or worse they should be able to censor anything that's not good for their business. Hell, you can't even post a nipple on Facebook.

Facebook and Twitter are ostensibly platforms. The analogy would be if a TV network rented out studios and cameras but prevented you from hiring them even though you had the money because they didn't like you or what you were going to film or had filmed or might film. If they were a TV channel or programme then they'd have no bother refusing you. And that's the nub, are they a platform or are they a publisher? If the…

TV channels refuse advertising based on politics or community standards. That's pretty similar - provide your own content, and rent airtime, but get rejected because of what you say.

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Post by tech-historian »

sevreview38402 wrote: post #307
tech-historian wrote: post #26

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It's not entirely clear how they came to that conclusion without any data to back it up. How could they know? Was there an internal survey or something? Or perhaps Facebook employees generally lean right maybe? Any FB employees here care to comment?

I’m at FB (throwaway account for good measure). It’s impossible to tell, especially working remotely. It’s not like you can ask these kinds of questions over Workplace chat unless you’re close with other team members. But the perspective that there are people who agree with Zuck’s decision and aren’t speaking up is valid. I’m one of them despite generally agreeing with BLM _and_ being a person of color. You have peop…

Really appreciate you sharing this inside perspective with us, thank you.

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Post by SamReidHughes »

sevreview38402 wrote: post #307
tech-historian wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not entirely clear how they came to that conclusion without any data to back it up. How could they know? Was there an internal survey or something? Or perhaps Facebook employees generally lean right maybe? Any FB employees here care to comment?

I’m at FB (throwaway account for good measure). It’s impossible to tell, especially working remotely. It’s not like you can ask these kinds of questions over Workplace chat unless you’re close with other team members. But the perspective that there are people who agree with Zuck’s decision and aren’t speaking up is valid. I’m one of them despite generally agreeing with BLM _and_ being a person of color. You have peop…

Jesus Christ. I wonder how many of them are aware of the thousands of deaths that have occurred because of BLM's falsehoods.

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Post by musicale »

lancesells wrote: post #248
legostormtroopr wrote: post #225

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> Social media is a not a public square where people can plant their soapbox Except there isn't really an alternative to Twitter - they have monopolised that "short catchy text stream" market. Other services, like Gab, exist - but when services like Cloudflare readily pull support for less mainstream alternatives, its hard to say that if you don't like Twitter you can go somewhere else. For better or worse, Facebook…

That's like saying television networks are required to give you a show for your free speech. Social networks are private companies built for profit. For better or worse they should be able to censor anything that's not good for their business. Hell, you can't even post a nipple on Facebook.

> That's like saying television networks are required to give you a show for your free speech

Wasn't that the idea of Public Access Television?

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Post by sultanofswing »

sevreview38402 wrote: post #307
tech-historian wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not entirely clear how they came to that conclusion without any data to back it up. How could they know? Was there an internal survey or something? Or perhaps Facebook employees generally lean right maybe? Any FB employees here care to comment?

I’m at FB (throwaway account for good measure). It’s impossible to tell, especially working remotely. It’s not like you can ask these kinds of questions over Workplace chat unless you’re close with other team members. But the perspective that there are people who agree with Zuck’s decision and aren’t speaking up is valid. I’m one of them despite generally agreeing with BLM _and_ being a person of color. You have peop…

Just out of curiosity, what keeps you from speaking out (besides a strong feeling of group think).

Have you actually experienced firings / ostracism from people at the company? While I do feel like your points would be contrarian (and may get shouted at), I'm wondering what the actual repercussions would be.

Most of what I've seen (in regards to dissenters) have been relatively spirited debates and strong digital dissension but no strong tangible effects.

I'm asking this in good faith as someone who sits on the other side of the fence on this issue (though like with most things am not 100% assured of my decision).

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Post by stale2002 »

ByteJockey wrote: post #304
stale2002 wrote: post #300

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If this is your opinion, then why not go even further? If you don't support lowering Walmart's taxes, along with all other grocery stores, then why shouldn't they be allowed to permanently ban you for all places to buy food from, forever?

Can't they? They can't discriminate based on protected traits, but political opinions aren't really protected on a federal level. It might not be a good business idea, but I think it's legal (correct me if I'm off base on my legal positions).

> Can't they?

For every single grocery store in the world to starve the population of people who do not vote for decreasing their taxes?

No, I am pretty sure that society would do something about that, if this happened.

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Post by [deleted] »

greesil wrote: post #281
danielfoster wrote: post #2

So long as their speech remains legal, social media sites should not be the business of censoring elected officials. That is the job of voters and Congress. It’s too easy to walk down a slippery slope where suddenly these sites have to regulate in accordance with whatever is the popular opinion of the day.

But yet somehow we're capable of determining fact from fiction as individuals but a collection of individuals is unable to do so?

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Post by sultanofswing »

bryan_w wrote: post #165
sultanofswing wrote: post #142

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So at worst we have someone who is intentionally inciting violence. At best we have a leader of our country too irresponsible to do due diligence on his own posts to the entire free world. He has literally infinite resources at his disposal to communicate effectively about this. Being a hateful bigot and or an ignoramus should both be unacceptable positions for the leader of the US. Furthermore this isn't the first t…

> Being a hateful bigot and or an ignoramus should both be unacceptable positions for the leader of the US That's something you take up at the ballot box or with your Congressperson/governer, not Facebook.

When you have a 'bully pulpit' as powerful and far reaching as Facebook now provides to the president then it is totally reasonable to want to hold them accountable (given you disagree with their stance).

I don't exactly understand what is objectionable about protesting the decision making of corporate entities given the immense power they hold?

This is like saying you shouldn't boycott BP for their oil spill, you should just complain to your congressperson. I don't understand why you can't complain on both fronts?

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Post by mywittyname »

throwaway6274 wrote: post #136
alea_iacta_est wrote: post #124

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> I'm pretty sure there are a lot of us, but I have no way of knowing for sure Just created a new account just to tell you we're at least 2 conservatives in tech. Pretty sure I'll get angry and abandon this account very soon again because of the liberal bias here, and their adoration for the downvote button, but whatever, anything for a conservative colleague :) > There should be a term for "liberal privilege" when y…

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>I almost think Trump keeps winning elections out of a sense of schadenfreude.

I definitely think a lot of his appeal has to do with his ability to rile up the left then demonstrate their ineptitude at stopping him. He's also doesn't seem to have much in the way of strong principles on subjects, instead, he does pretty much exactly what he thinks his supporters will like.

His corruption is the trade-off one makes for electing a politician like him. He'll do whatever it takes to make his constituents happy, and in return they give him a blank check.

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Post by cmonnow »

muzika wrote: post #148
ve55 wrote: post #31

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It's unfortunate, but I've seen it happen a lot at companies like this, from what I've spoken about privately. The worst part is those I speak to have very modest views, good intentions, and have put thought into it. But they're terrified of ever speaking up at the workplace for fear of what those that are most radicalized might try in response.

I don’t voice my politically-incorrect views at work either, because I know it won’t do me any good.

there are no politically correct views in the workplace.
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