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Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

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Post by leonroy » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 9:25 PM UTC

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #25

signamos wrote: post #18

Moved company to Singapore to pay less taxes while pushing for Brexit because UK's lost sovereignty and the "EU tax". Good vacuums but he's a douche.

Good vacuums? Where? Reliability issues and the plastic chassis broke not long after purchase. I won't pay the premium again, that's for sure.

I really don't get the Dyson hate for their vacuums, are the newer models rubbish or something?

My folks have old the DC02 (bought in 1996 or so and still running) and I own the DC25 (11 years on and still works great).

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

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Post by nicoburns » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 9:25 PM UTC

cityzen wrote: post #83

Dyson seems like a company/brand mired in being clever vs. actually creating anything of practical utility. We have a dyson stick vacuum thing that was ~$300 and it can't even pick up cheerios. The airblade hand dryer supposedly spreads something like 60x more germs than regular dryers and over 1000x more than regular warm air hand dryers. This car thing apparently didn't work out. $400 hair dryer? $1,700 dyson roomb…

You might be right about the germs, but the dyson hand dryers are a lot better at drying than regular ones.

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

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Post by driverdan » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 9:46 PM UTC

acallaghan wrote: post #70

ForHackernews wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Things like app connectivity are after thoughts and not core to their products. Good! God help us the day something like a fan or a vacuum cleaner needs "app connectivity".

A good example of intelligent appliances would be like my Samsung washing machine... It had an error, so I called their support line. They asked me to hold down two buttons simultaneously, then put my phone near the door. It let out a 10s or so digital song, the kind that modems did in the 90s - that gave them an entire diagnostic, age, model etc, and they sent someone around as they knew I couldn't fix it. Pretty am…

> Pretty amazing stuff.

Pretty terrible stuff. If it uses proprietary tones as a diagnostic code you can't diagnose and fix it out yourself.

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

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Post by clouddrover » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 9:49 PM UTC

natch wrote: post #57

Neil44 wrote: post #32

Interesting how the battery container is a stressed member of the chassis, I don't think any other manufacturer is doing that.

In Teslas the battery container also is structural, or a stressed member of the chassis as you put it. There are many aspects here copied from Tesla or coincidentally the same, although he conveniently leaves out mentioning that fact at any opportunity. For example the lowering of the car at speed... copied from Model S.

> For example the lowering of the car at speed... copied from Model S.

Many cars have adaptive suspension. It's not unique to Tesla.

Audi has taken the next step and has implemented predictive suspension:

https://www.motor1.com/news/360532/audi-a8-predictive-air-su...

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

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Post by primrose » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 9:50 PM UTC

troyvit wrote: post #102

teachrdan wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I, too, am using an ancient washing machine in my home, it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison. New washing machines use far less water and electricity than their older counterparts. They also remove more water during their spin cycle, reducing the amount of drying necessary. And if your dryer uses natural gas (as mine does), a newer washing machine will reduce your use of natural gas as well.

What kills me is that every feature you mention can be done without needing an app, an lcd, or the cloud, and the same thing applies to electric cars. How much cheaper would an electric car like a tesla be if it didn't have autopilot, electronic keys, and LCDs everywhere? How much more secure would it be without an e-key to unlock it? I hope when I'm ready to buy an electric car I can find something like that.

I’m willing to bet the LCD screens and fancy hardware are a small part of the vehicle cost, esp. when compared to the batteries.

All software is expensive up front but near zero cost to deploy to each additional car.

At some number of cars sold the software costs becomes a rounding error.

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

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Post by maharajatever » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 9:59 PM UTC

Dyson is a con with a big marketing budget. I had their "revolutionary" cyclone nonsense for three years thinking I have a great vacuum, until my cleaner complained that literally everyone else had a decent vacuum cleaner and mine was useless. I bought a different one - it uses about a third of the energy, and usability and capability-wise it's on a different planet. And it's cheaper!

Not to mention the incredibly useless hand dryers in half of UK pubs.

Dyson is the perfect example of how if you strike the right(???) note with your marketing you can sell any crap at a premium price.

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

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Post by nmeofthestate » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 10:04 PM UTC

The Dyson Mains Electric vehicle suffered from range problems.

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

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Post by Neil44 » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 10:08 PM UTC

natch wrote: post #109

Neil44 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure Tesla batteries are structural? They don’t look it and I haven’t heard that claimed before. Lowering at speed has been around for a long time it wasn’t invented by Tesla.

To your question yes, it’s well known and has been widely covered. It’s always interesting to me that absence of knowledge of something is taken as a basis for believing that the thing is not happening. Lowering not invented by Tesla, fair point. It seems I do the same thing too.

I feel like I know more than most people about it, I've seen Sandy Munro and Ritchie B Kidd tear them apart and talk about them, I've just googled tesla battery structural and found nothing. They are a thin metal stamping held up by a few bolts. The one in the Dyson pics looks like its built into a deep aluminium floorpan rather than being a separately cased item.

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

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Post by jxramos » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 10:16 PM UTC

I quite enjoyed this exchange at the end

    I even took one on Blue Peter and demonstrated it to Anthea Turner!
    (embedded video @ 1:48)
    Anthea: What do the manufacturers think of it?
    James: Well they quite like it, but they're not doing anything about it.
    Anthea: Are steps being taken to do anything about it?
    James: Well no unfortunately we need to pass some laws so that people are forced to fit it.

--nothing like invoking the coercive power of the state to force things on others.

Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle

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Post by HackOfAllTrades » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 10:20 PM UTC

ycombonator wrote: post #60

This is what Apple car would have looked like if Jobs was still alive.

And once you got in the car it would lock the doors and keep you a prisoner.

An Apple EV would only charge from Certified Apple electricity. Hell, Jobs would have required an Apple ICE to only accept fuel from an Apple gas station.