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Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by cycloptic »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #199
MayeulC wrote: post #196

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Yes and no. The Kernel ABI is stable. Userspace is somewhat of a mess, ABI-wise. But most source code is available, so in most cases, you just need to recompile software to have it run, since APIs are more stable than ABIs. Now that I'm thinking about it, I wonder if, given proprietary (no source) software A, you couldn't recompile every open-source dependency of A from their sources around A's release time, and get…

I will take Windows's "sometimes there's very little you can do about it" against Linux's "compile it and all its dependencies (probably versions of those dependencies from the same time period, and possibly even their dependencies) from source" any day.

You don't want to do that. The first situation is not fixable, the second one is.

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by gnramires »

dewey wrote: post #54
shadowtree wrote: post #13

Does Desktop OS matter anymore? So much is running in "browsers" now, even the SpaceX astronaut controls were Electron. The cloud provider is where it's at. AWS, Azure, GCloud ... and nothing from Europe.

Hetzner Cloud is in Germany.

It's pretty cool. I pay about 2.5 EUR a month for a nice cloud server. Indeed you can replace most cloud services with selfhosted, OSS options those days (for example there's nextcloud and seafile for file storage).

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by apta »

terminalcommand wrote: post #179
rjeli wrote: post #137

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I would pay more than the cost of an IDA license to use Linux at home :) I can't imagine not being able to cut videos on the cli with ffmpeg, reading the kernel source to understand my system, having ownership of my system in general... Haven't used Windows in a while, I've used a lot of macOS but I can't get over the recent thing about checking executable hashes against Apple servers. I get why they do it, and you c…

I tried to switch back to Windows numerous times, each time I hated that I can't just spawn a terminal window and do things on CLI. It is not impossible, but it doesn't feel right for me. Maybe if I were more acquainted with .NET libraries and powershell, I could achieve similar proficiency. I feel like I am being suffocated when I'm using windows for development. My current solution is to keep a windows laptop for b…

You can run Linux on Windows, so you get the best of both worlds: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by apta »

rjeli wrote: post #137
xur17 wrote: post #120

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As a counter point, I've been working with Linux for the last 20 or so years, and I've gotten quite used it its quirks. It would take a lot to get me to switch at this point - I vastly prefer using it to both Windows and OSX (I used a OSX machine for 4 years at my last job, and have used Windows off and on). If Windows was free, and Linux cost $200, I'd still go with Linux. I guess my point is that a lot of the reaso…

I would pay more than the cost of an IDA license to use Linux at home :) I can't imagine not being able to cut videos on the cli with ffmpeg, reading the kernel source to understand my system, having ownership of my system in general... Haven't used Windows in a while, I've used a lot of macOS but I can't get over the recent thing about checking executable hashes against Apple servers. I get why they do it, and you c…

> I can't imagine not being able to cut videos on the cli with ffmpeg,

You can still do that on Windows: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by chinesempire »

mamon wrote: post #207
the-dude wrote: post #175

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How has the USSR ended up in horror? What about Cuba? I will give you Vietnam though.

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> By enslaving other countries for half of the century?

United States involvement in regime change in Latin America

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

United States foreign policy in the Middle East

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_policy_i...

Role of the United States in the Vietnam War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_the_United_States_in_t...

and many others.

is it so different?

I agreed with some of the interventions (Bosnian war 1992), I didn't with many others, as an Italian seeing the bombing in 1999 in Kosovo from the other side of the Adriatic sea was heartbreaking (you could actually see them at night, the sky became as bright as the day!).

Many of my friends at the time were balkans running away from the previous wars and coming to Italy.

I actively protested against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, against the bombing in Libya, against Guantanamo, against Abu Ghraib tortures, against their policy of using drones that killed a lot of civilians in middle east, testified by wikileaks documents.

You have to remember that they moved the war to our doors in Europe, we lived them, we still suffer the consequences and, more than us, many of our human brothers are still running from them.

Please, try to understand US imperialism is no better than anybody else's.

Also, my entire family was communist in Italy, they fought against the fascist regime in Italy, they went to jail for it, fortunately many of them survived, by sheer luck.

Please, before lecturing us about communism, at least try to learn the many faces of it in history.

Stalin is just the easy winning argument (he died in f*ing 1953, USSR lived almost 40 years after his death!) like pretending US is McCharty, Trump, the KKK and the institutional racism.

Also: US recruited many nazi generals after the war that gave away secrets in exchange for new identities, money and immunity, so, not really a surprise that there are nazis running the US right now

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by laumars »

Spearchucker wrote: post #68
chrisseaton wrote: post #47

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What is the big deal about AD? A directory of your employees? What's so important about that? (I don't work in corporate IT I genuinely don't know.)

AD is a directory of EVERYTHING. From users to groups, departments, divisions, printers, to remote access, device management, email, file shares... Many third party apps use it for either or both of authN and authR. You can use it to federate identities. It is vast in its scope and its reign is without equal.

It is an industry standard but you're at risk of over stating things there. There's plenty of other federated directory services available that support LDAP and SAML, eg https://ldap.com/directory-servers/

What Microsoft Active Directory buys you is easy integration with other Microsoft products like Windows; which is also a de facto standard in most organisations. However go anywhere that is a UNIX, Linux or Apple shop and Active Directory quickly becomes the wrong tool.

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by laumars »

chrisseaton wrote: post #208
Spearchucker wrote: post #68

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AD is a directory of EVERYTHING. From users to groups, departments, divisions, printers, to remote access, device management, email, file shares... Many third party apps use it for either or both of authN and authR. You can use it to federate identities. It is vast in its scope and its reign is without equal.

These things all seem less and less important, though? Don't most modern companies have web services for their internal apps? I don't have AD - I have an SSO web login for a variety of web sites and SAS products. Who uses a printer these days? File shares? That's Dropbox or Google Drive now. Email? In your browser.

I don't like Microsoft much either and even I can still see your comments aren't fair

> These things all seem less and less important, though? Don't most modern companies have web services for their internal apps?

Actually it's more important than ever. All these cloud services means when staff leave there's more risk of an account accidentally being left open. Federated access resolves this problem.

> I don't have AD - I have an SSO web login for a variety of web sites and SAS products.

That "SSO web login" might still be Active Directory (it might not, but in many organisations it is).

> File shares? That's Dropbox or Google Drive now.

Or Microsoft OneDrive -- which would be authenticated against AD.

> Email? In your browser.

I'm a big fan of local mail clients but Microsoft have supported web mail longer than most people might realise. Quite a few years long than Google Mail. Longer even than Yahoo! Mail. OWA (Outlook Web Access) was first shipped in Microsoft Exchange 5 released sometime in mid to late 90s on Windows NT4. Sure, OWA was pretty basic but did a good enough job.

Microsoft also bought Hotmail back in '97

These days Microsoft have a pretty extensive suite of web-based office applications from Word and Excel through to Outlook. You might have heard of Office 365? Well that can also authenticate against Active Directory.

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by coldtea »

h91wka wrote: post #188
coldtea wrote: post #176

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Are they? Russia, for example, is neo-feudalist, not capitalist.

Many western countries had similar strongmen. Some even had a bona fide royalty class, lording over common people, and then their sons, and grandsons lording in turn...

That aside, modern Russia has tons of capitalists... Crony capitalism is still capitalism, and there are tons of proper companies there besides. Not everything is owned by some government-friendly mafioso. But when a regime collapses, like USSR did and there's a power vacuum that's what usually evolves for a while...

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by [deleted] »

laumars wrote: post #218
chrisseaton wrote: post #208

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These things all seem less and less important, though? Don't most modern companies have web services for their internal apps? I don't have AD - I have an SSO web login for a variety of web sites and SAS products. Who uses a printer these days? File shares? That's Dropbox or Google Drive now. Email? In your browser.

I don't like Microsoft much either and even I can still see your comments aren't fair > These things all seem less and less important, though? Don't most modern companies have web services for their internal apps? Actually it's more important than ever. All these cloud services means when staff leave there's more risk of an account accidentally being left open. Federated access resolves this problem. > I don't have A…

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