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Things from leaked audio of Mark Zuckerberg and his employees

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Re: Things from leaked audio of Mark Zuckerberg and his employees

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So long as their speech remains legal, social media sites should not be the business of censoring elected officials. That is the job of voters and Congress. It’s too easy to walk down a slippery slope where suddenly these sites have to regulate in accordance with whatever is the popular opinion of the day.

There is no reason to give elected officials a free pass. It biases elections by giving them an even bigger microphone than the other people running. Apply the same standards to all.

A free pass on what exactly? This has gotten so crazy, I can’t believe people are protesting Facebook for not censoring a politician.

Here’s an idea... if you don’t like what somebody writes online, don’t read it.

Do people really think that censoring, or even annotating, the President’s words will change how people feel about them? Like someone is going to read Trump’s message, think “oh right, mail-in ballots could lead to voter fraud,” then read an annotation from CNN and conclude “oh never mind, Trump lied.” On the contrary, it will lead to further entrenchment of division as they retreat to the comfort of their pre-existing views.

Are people serious about this?? It seems obvious that the most likely outcome of censorship or editorializing is more entrenchment of views and pre-existing beliefs, not less. Nobody who is already listening to Trump is going to suddenly stop because Twitter or Facebook shows them a CNN article next to a “fact check” label.

It’s just so ridiculous, I can’t believe we are actually having this conversation. What happened to teaching people critical thinking and not to believe everything they read on the internet? And what the heck is “violent speech?” Just close the page if you don’t like it. My goodness.

Re: Things from leaked audio of Mark Zuckerberg and his employees

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I've seen videos of looting (as opposed to protesting) which say out loud that they are being coordinated on social media. In particular, one looter's sister was murdered by another looter. She was crying on camera, "This ain't some Facebook shit" indicating she had been coordinated to show up on FB. Once the general population of old people figures out that roving groups of young people are using "The Facebook" to c…

You're underestimating the intelligence and experience of "old people." They've been through eras like this before, they know what protest looks like. And they already know that the looting (and much of the protest too) is pre-coordinated and planned by outsiders, primarily via social media.

Though I could also say that's an overestimation of people's ability to understand that looting is pre-coordinated and planned by outsiders.

Local news broadcasts play a big part in this, because that's the only thing my parents will be doing during protests is watching what they provide. Guess what content they provide :/

Re: Things from leaked audio of Mark Zuckerberg and his employees

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I've seen videos of looting (as opposed to protesting) which say out loud that they are being coordinated on social media. In particular, one looter's sister was murdered by another looter. She was crying on camera, "This ain't some Facebook shit" indicating she had been coordinated to show up on FB. Once the general population of old people figures out that roving groups of young people are using "The Facebook" to c…

You're underestimating the intelligence and experience of "old people." They've been through eras like this before, they know what protest looks like. And they already know that the looting (and much of the protest too) is pre-coordinated and planned by outsiders, primarily via social media.

There's a difference between being technically aware of something, and having the mental framework to take that awareness and turn it into a call to action. It's the news that tells people how to think about things and how to act about them. Corporate news is being slaughtered by social media. You've seen them attack social media already with stories of how pedophiles use it to get your kids and stuff. I don't think it will take long for the corporate news to figure out they can weaponize this to encourage regulating their enemy industry.

Re: Things from leaked audio of Mark Zuckerberg and his employees

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a false dichotomy. If a leader publicly prods his followers to attack some one on FB or Twitter, should they stand back?

There's legal recourse for this (see Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, among the many other SCOTUS rulings curbing free speech in special cases). Social media companies are not the arbiter, the courts are.

I dont expect FB to be a arbiter, but in a more general sense, prevent harm done using the facility. Like a transport company to be held liable if someone is using them to mule drugs, or banks for money laundering.

Re: Things from leaked audio of Mark Zuckerberg and his employees

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I've seen videos of looting (as opposed to protesting) which say out loud that they are being coordinated on social media. In particular, one looter's sister was murdered by another looter. She was crying on camera, "This ain't some Facebook shit" indicating she had been coordinated to show up on FB. Once the general population of old people figures out that roving groups of young people are using "The Facebook" to c…

Once the population ... figures out that ... people are using phones/fax machines/drums/smoke/whatever to coordinate their plans to set the cities on fire, they are dead via regulation.

Re: Things from leaked audio of Mark Zuckerberg and his employees

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry but you are incorrect. Platforms have protections while they act as a free and open forum. This protection ceases to exist the time you start fiddling with the content. Obviously, Terms of Service are there to filter the garbage out but any double standard can end up with your Platform credentials revoked and your business down the drain.

Those protections afford immunity to civil claims related to copyright and infringing content. It does not apply to matters of decency. Many online platforms have booted their bigots and hate speech without any consequences to their ability to continue hosting content. Please do not conflate civil torts with criminal hate speech

Not only have they booted the bigots and hate speech it's only because they booted it that they florished. That's also the reason alternative "public spaces" exist without that kind of moderation... think 4chan,8chan etc. It doesn't matter where you draw the line or anyone of us it matters that the line is there for everyone. When twitter bans an experiment of an account that was just tweeting Trumps tweet s as onces from themself. They should also ban Trump if they are not banning him but other people for the same choice of words it leaves a bad taste. Facebook is on another level in myanmar facebook was used as a tool to organize an ethnic cleansing. Free Speech is the modern "we just followed orders" of tech companies.

Re: Things from leaked audio of Mark Zuckerberg and his employees

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I've seen videos of looting (as opposed to protesting) which say out loud that they are being coordinated on social media. In particular, one looter's sister was murdered by another looter. She was crying on camera, "This ain't some Facebook shit" indicating she had been coordinated to show up on FB. Once the general population of old people figures out that roving groups of young people are using "The Facebook" to c…

The London 2010 riots were blamed on Blackberry messenger: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-riots-blackberry/...

(Interestingly the MP quoted, David Lammy, is one of the few black MPs and from the left)

Re: Things from leaked audio of Mark Zuckerberg and his employees

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no reason to give elected officials a free pass. It biases elections by giving them an even bigger microphone than the other people running. Apply the same standards to all.

A free pass on what exactly? This has gotten so crazy, I can’t believe people are protesting Facebook for not censoring a politician. Here’s an idea... if you don’t like what somebody writes online, don’t read it. Do people really think that censoring, or even annotating, the President’s words will change how people feel about them? Like someone is going to read Trump’s message, think “oh right, mail-in ballots could…

I think the person you're responding to is talking about an asymmetry of rules - current politicians can say anything, everyone else has to follow rules. In that situation, current politicians can lie about their opponents, but opponents cannot lie back.

Re: Things from leaked audio of Mark Zuckerberg and his employees

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post #20

> Zuckerberg’s decision was supported by the majority of the company, but that people who agreed with it were afraid to speak out for fear of appearing insensitive I find that interesting and dangerous.

This is an entirely unsurprising result of eliminating reasonable discussion and rendering it professionally untenable to support the president.

Welcome to the life of a conservative in tech. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of us, but I have no way of knowing for sure, because it's clear that speaking about our political beliefs can lead to negative repercussions in our career. Good luck getting a job or investment after you've publicly posted anything in line with Trump's agenda (which, btw, about 60 million people seem to at least partly agree with).

The result is that the only conservatives remaining in public view are the loony ones who can afford to speak out without risking their job, don't care about their corporate reputation, or have to post from pseudonyms. People on the left see this and conclude that everyone on the right is an extremist, further assuring them that their leftist views are "on the right side of history."

There should be a term for "liberal privilege" when you're able to post your political views under your real name.

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