Zuck will follow the ad dollars. If revenue drops due to the Trump hate speech then it'll be gone already.
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not entirely clear how they came to that conclusion without any data to back it up. How could they know? Was there an internal survey or something? Or perhaps Facebook employees generally lean right maybe? Any FB employees here care to comment?
I think it's a mistake to assume that anyone who doesn't want to fact-check/remove Trump's posts has to lean right politically. There's a lot of other reasons they can have. What if all of Trump's worst posts were removed, such that every potential voter reading them then has a less-aligned view of what he supports, and decides to vote for him, when they would not have had his posts not been selectively filtered? Jus…
i think that the president should be able to speak to the people, and half the people want to hear it. those who don't want to hear it shouldn't block it from the others. it's jiggled into such a drama. a headache over nothing. zuck was right, about transcending the feelings, and going by principles.
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#63> Zuckerberg’s decision was supported by the majority of the company, but that people who agreed with it were afraid to speak out for fear of appearing insensitive I find that interesting and dangerous.
The thought police will publicly shame you in every way possible if you don't score enough "woke points" with your latest post. We've seen conservative voices exiled from SV, and I suspect moderate or simply imperfect liberal voices would be treated similarly. As a pretty far-left liberal in an extended social group of extremist liberals, I've learned / am learning to just stay off social media and say nothing (easie…
there is some truth in what you say. tim pool makes good money talking about that kinda stuff on youtube. but yeah, those communofascist thought police.. stay away from them! treat them like the kgb. give them nothing.
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#64Does President Trump's threat to treat them as publishers rather than platforms have teeth?
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#65So long as their speech remains legal, social media sites should not be the business of censoring elected officials. That is the job of voters and Congress. It’s too easy to walk down a slippery slope where suddenly these sites have to regulate in accordance with whatever is the popular opinion of the day.
Facebook is quite happy to censor speech. Facebook banned me for 3 days for commenting on a previous ban where I had said "white people suck" and "white people are savages", both for pictures contrasting white people protesting vs PoC and First Nation people protesting. Disclaimer: I am very white. I was not promoting hate.
Replying to myself because the edit window closed.
I posted this scenario (the background of my original post, as well as the response here) to FB to ask for feedback. I specifically asked for criticism if they saw it (not just for echochamber validation).
All 10 respondents thus far saw no issue with what I said, with the most telling comment to when I asked again:
Q: Do you think I was promoting hate speech in the given contexts?
A: possibly, In the eyes of someone threatened by your opinion.
I stand by my words. I will correct them when the correction is valid, however, I've not seen that here in this dialog.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everyone has more of a right to a public space (like a town square) than a private living room or a private website (hadn't occurred to me that being publicly traded may have implications actually). As I've written in another recent comment, the problem is when Facebook or other networks become quasi-official sources for public communication. If the primary means that the government thinks I will find out about publi…
I fear social media IS the primary place that a lot of people get their news. That is a huge problem because of all the propaganda, fake news, knee jerk reactions and everything else that is spread there.
Agreed - I think it's a distinct problem, though. Crowdsourcing news where the crowd is ignorant and uneducated is harder to fix than what I'm getting at, because the only ethical way to do it is to convince people en masse to be better about identifying credible sources and thinking critically.
But I'm actually more concerned about a state where overnight the government can ban normal day-to-day activities, and if you're on a 30 day ban from Facebook you don't know about it until they're arresting people for surfing. Or, in my town's case, where they've stopped notifying residents of construction-related closures with written notice to each house days ahead of time, and have just started putting it on NextDoor.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook is quite happy to censor speech. Facebook banned me for 3 days for commenting on a previous ban where I had said "white people suck" and "white people are savages", both for pictures contrasting white people protesting vs PoC and First Nation people protesting. Disclaimer: I am very white. I was not promoting hate.
It just seems hard to believe that calling people savages isn’t intended to promote hatred of them.
You are ascribing intent when I've repeated that was not my intent.
I believe that you intend to promote white nationalism by your disingenuous engagement.
Do you find that agreeable? If not, why?
edit: It looks like you don't find it agreeable but can't articulate why. Shall I ascribe intent there as well?
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#68So long as their speech remains legal, social media sites should not be the business of censoring elected officials. That is the job of voters and Congress. It’s too easy to walk down a slippery slope where suddenly these sites have to regulate in accordance with whatever is the popular opinion of the day.
But Facebook does regulate the feeds of their users by employing algorithms to surface content that they think the user will engage with, and so get bucks for the eyeball.
This distinguishes them from libraries, the only other similar platform for unmediated content. Libraries treat all information as equal and curates it as such. Facebook does not treat information equally, this means it is already moderating content.
Facebook already censors content that politicians deem unsavoury, so why should one political message get a free pass while another is removed?
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#69> Zuckerberg’s decision was supported by the majority of the company, but that people who agreed with it were afraid to speak out for fear of appearing insensitive I find that interesting and dangerous.
Any Facebook employees want to give us an inside view about this? Throwaway account if needed?
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#70So long as their speech remains legal, social media sites should not be the business of censoring elected officials. That is the job of voters and Congress. It’s too easy to walk down a slippery slope where suddenly these sites have to regulate in accordance with whatever is the popular opinion of the day.
We're getting onto our own slippery territory here. If I let someone into my living room, and that person makes political statements I don't like, I'm free to ask them to leave and not come back, or tell other people in my living room that I think the statements are factually incorrect. If Facebook lets someone onto their website, and that person makes political statements Facebook doesn't like, why can't Facebook as…
> I'm free to ask them to leave and not come back
And you're free to not ask them to leave, also... which is what we're arguing Facebook should be.