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Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by zubspace » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 7:39 PM UTC

winter_blue wrote: post #133

xur17 wrote: post #120

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As a counter point, I've been working with Linux for the last 20 or so years, and I've gotten quite used it its quirks. It would take a lot to get me to switch at this point - I vastly prefer using it to both Windows and OSX (I used a OSX machine for 4 years at my last job, and have used Windows off and on). If Windows was free, and Linux cost $200, I'd still go with Linux. I guess my point is that a lot of the reaso…

Yea, that's how I feel as well. I've been using Linux as my daily driver since 2012 (i.e. whenever I can[1]), and it's going to be hard to get me to switch. A bit unrelated: In the beginning, I was on Ubuntu, and I almost got sick of it as the extremely ancient packages were driving me crazy. I had to have numerous PPAs just to get the latest versions of GCC, Clang, Inkscape, and various other tools. Even with all th…

Well, it's hard to replace a tool which worked for you since many years. You learn all it's tricks and you can build up your workflows around that tool.

Maybe I just had some bad luck regarding Linux. I started with Suse, switch to Gentoo, then Ubuntu and Fedora and others inbetween. I remember the fights I had to take to make 3D acceleration work, strange problems with hardware, things which could not be solved easily where you instead search for step-by-step tutorials on every corner of the internet, distributions which completely failed after certain updates...

You know, it's interesting and all. But in some way I got older and value my time more. So I always went back to the tool I know best, which is Windows. And I think, many many people had similar experiences I had.

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by tobilocker » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 7:39 PM UTC

axegon_ wrote: post #3

Iirc, the initiative in Munich was very impressive, with public servants being taught how to file bug reports and whatnot. This is great news imo. Less spending on proprietary software, more accountability, possibly job openings for consultants. Good job Germany! I wish more countries would follow.

Only sad, that the City of Munich decided to ditch Linux for Microsoft again, shortly after Microsoft decided to move its Office to Munich... https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Rueckkehr-zu-Microso...

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by asjw » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 7:40 PM UTC

Wh1zz wrote: post #99

xrisk wrote: post #91

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See general state of development/corruption for all ex-soviet countries versus the rest of the developed world.

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Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by praveen9920 » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 7:40 PM UTC

One of the major reasons organisations go with Microsoft is the support they provide, although user's familiarity certainly plays another role as well

How does that work out in situations where Linux is adapted? Do they pickup a distro which provides support?

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by cosmotic » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 7:40 PM UTC

zubspace wrote: post #112

I may very well be part of a minority, but after working with Windows for the last 20 or so years I got used to it's quirks. And yes, I actually like it. Windows 10 on a Dell Latitude or XPS is stable, fast and I can run everything under the sun. Office applications, very domain specific applications like the Adobe suite, uncountable useful utility software, cross platform tools like Gimp, Blender or Krita. And still…

Regarding Visual Studio, have you used JetBrains IntelliJ IDEA? For many things, it's consistently years ahead of Visual Studio.

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by reitanqild » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 7:42 PM UTC

xrisk wrote: post #91

axegon_ wrote: post #19

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Yeah, aware of those... But... I wouldn't really use most of the countries on your list to set an example for the rest of the world, if you know what I mean...

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Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by coronadisaster » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 7:42 PM UTC

lrem wrote: post #55

coronadisaster wrote: post #22

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my small city wastes money on much less useful stuff... like fireworks and such

That is not a strict priority list. It is not unheard of to burn some money on celebrations and decorations, while cutting budgets in the essentials. The appropriate question to ask is: at which size can you afford a competent security team in-house for what you would pay for a secure cloud offering. I would actually love to know the answer to that question.

They need to get their priorities straight when spending tax money.

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by manquer » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 7:45 PM UTC

tobilocker wrote: post #152

axegon_ wrote: post #3

Iirc, the initiative in Munich was very impressive, with public servants being taught how to file bug reports and whatnot. This is great news imo. Less spending on proprietary software, more accountability, possibly job openings for consultants. Good job Germany! I wish more countries would follow.

Only sad, that the City of Munich decided to ditch Linux for Microsoft again, shortly after Microsoft decided to move its Office to Munich... https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Rueckkehr-zu-Microso...

That was a bad idea by Microsoft ,they cannot move office to every city threatening to do this now .

Hamburg will either get open source or a large ms office there if this goes the same way. Sooner or later MS will have to stop moving offices .

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by finlake » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 7:45 PM UTC

vlod wrote: post #140

zubspace wrote: post #112

I may very well be part of a minority, but after working with Windows for the last 20 or so years I got used to it's quirks. And yes, I actually like it. Windows 10 on a Dell Latitude or XPS is stable, fast and I can run everything under the sun. Office applications, very domain specific applications like the Adobe suite, uncountable useful utility software, cross platform tools like Gimp, Blender or Krita. And still…

I've moved from Macos to Ubuntu and love it (and not really that scary as I thought, everything worked. For those that are interested: Lenova X1 Carbon). I really _want_ to like Windows 10. I like the direction it's moving with WSL2/VSCode remote connections, but man am I scared by all the zero-day exploits and all the windows 10 releases that screw up machines. I can't take it seriously. I am hopeful that MSFT can d…

How did you make Lenovo X1 Carbon fingerprint sensor work on Ubuntu?

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Post by asjw » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 7:46 PM UTC

axegon_ wrote: post #110

xrisk wrote: post #91

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Some of us come from countries which have experienced communism first hand. Been there, done that, no thanks, keep me out of it next time. As a Polish(iirc, I could be wrong) saying goes, "Capitalism is a system on the edge of a tall cliff. Communism is one step ahead."

In my opinion that's one view, coming from an extreme form of rulership that was established (especially in Poland) after what happened during WW2: nazi occupation, mass deportations, concentration camps etc. etc.

I come from the country with the largest communist party in the West and I believe it helped the people here to get more freedom and social justice that they would have achieved otherwise