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Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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I believe the root issue here is that Germany has more than one city.

This is exactly why Germany will never achieve widespread adoption. All the citizens wish to go and form their own cities, reinventing the wheel and duplicating effort. They should abandon all their smaller cities and focus their resources on a single city.

Yes, we should end fragmentation and force all citizens to live in the one true city, which is Munich.

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Iirc, the initiative in Munich was very impressive, with public servants being taught how to file bug reports and whatnot. This is great news imo. Less spending on proprietary software, more accountability, possibly job openings for consultants. Good job Germany! I wish more countries would follow.

Sadly the article appears to overlook that Munich is switching back to Windows: https://www.theregister.com/2017/11/13/munich_committee_says...

See below. They now decided to switch back to Linux again!

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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I may very well be part of a minority, but after working with Windows for the last 20 or so years I got used to it's quirks. And yes, I actually like it. Windows 10 on a Dell Latitude or XPS is stable, fast and I can run everything under the sun. Office applications, very domain specific applications like the Adobe suite, uncountable useful utility software, cross platform tools like Gimp, Blender or Krita. And still…

> But all those arcane commandline wizardry and the configuration madness still irks me now and then I'll take this over the seemingly endless layers of GUI based configuration screens that Windows servers use. A text based configuration file is much easier to understand, and well, configure, imo.

> A text based configuration file is much easier to understand, and well, configure, imo.

Too bad there are dozens of different incompatible text-based formats for everything... oh and that they completely lack discoverability.

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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post #122

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Some of us come from countries which have experienced communism first hand. Been there, done that, no thanks, keep me out of it next time. As a Polish(iirc, I could be wrong) saying goes, "Capitalism is a system on the edge of a tall cliff. Communism is one step ahead."

Are your general belief that people supporting Socialism today looks to the USSR as a role model?

Pffff... Beats me to be fair. I consider myself a centrist as far as ideology goes, slightly leaning towards the right. In eastern Europe, the left-wing supporters are largely the elderly. You are very unlikely to find young people supporting the idea, even less so among those who have had experience with it. The support for the left and socialism in these regions then is simply a reflection of what the USSR model was, whether it's blind and fanatical ideology, nostalgia or what is effectively brainwashing (the evil west spies killing babies and all the other conspiracy theories). Truth be told they are incredibly similar to Alex Jones and his views, the only difference I see is the packaging. Looking at the socialists in central and western Europe, as well as across the ocean, I have a hard time figuring out what it is they are aiming for or support. Which is not to say that I don't think that people like Trump or Bojo are not morons. They absolutely are and this is what actually worries me - superpowers that end up choosing between those two options. That terrifies me.

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Linux is a nightmare to maintain as an IT department for end users, especially with hardware incompatibility problems and software availability. This is clearly an unsubstantiated article based in speculation.

Want data behind that statement. From what I've seen it is the other way around.

Though I do not have significant data myself.

I did a transition for a company back around 2003. Total cost of transition was a net saving already in the first year. Including training, my work, minor new hardware, etc. A couple of their guys learned the systems maintenance enough to take over my work, so I made myself redundant. Just like it should be.

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the root issue here is that Germany has more than one city.

This is exactly why Germany will never achieve widespread adoption. All the citizens wish to go and form their own cities, reinventing the wheel and duplicating effort. They should abandon all their smaller cities and focus their resources on a single city.

What's the problem with duplicating effort?

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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The two parties forming the government of Hamburg made an agreement. Its here: https://www.spd-hamburg.de/fileadmin-hamburg/user_upload/Koa... The relevant section is on page 161. Most relevant is: - base new software project on open protocols - "Design award procedures in such a way that we maintain and expand a broad mix of manufacturers and suppliers - for this purpose, award procedures are designed in such a way that all cooperation and business models (e.g. provider communities of startups, open source offers and license models) be treated equally." - "In the new parliamentary term, the Hamburg citizenship has decided to introduce a cloud-based system - Phoenix - based on the model of Schleswig-Holstein via Dataport for all members of the parliament and employees."

Dataport is a sort of state owned software company for Hamburg and some other northern states. This appears to be the product: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zpl0Xds1NMU

I couldn't find any open repos on the dataport website. Maybe I haven't looked hard enough. But that doesn't look like the big Open Source revolution to me.

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Iirc, the initiative in Munich was very impressive, with public servants being taught how to file bug reports and whatnot. This is great news imo. Less spending on proprietary software, more accountability, possibly job openings for consultants. Good job Germany! I wish more countries would follow.

>public servants being taught how to file bug reports and whatnot.

Sounds a little ominous, did it not?

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of us come from countries which have experienced communism first hand. Been there, done that, no thanks, keep me out of it next time. As a Polish(iirc, I could be wrong) saying goes, "Capitalism is a system on the edge of a tall cliff. Communism is one step ahead."

Are your general belief that people supporting Socialism today looks to the USSR as a role model?

IDK his POV, but in mine, I believe most people supporting Socialism has no role model, in part because there hasn't been any Socalism that worked out, so they end up talking about this mythical socialist unicorn. Some of them believe that Venezuela and Cuba are just fine.

I'm talking about Spain.

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