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Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many countries are currently ditching Windows in favor of home grown distros due to distrust of Microsoft. Notable examples: Currently transitioning: - Astra Linux (Russia) https://www.zdnet.com/article/russian-military-moves-closer-... - Kylin Linux? (China) https://www.techradar.com/news/china-to-ditch-all-windows-pc... - South Korea https://www.zdnet.com/article/south-koreas-government-explor... Already transition…

Yeah, aware of those... But... I wouldn't really use most of the countries on your list to set an example for the rest of the world, if you know what I mean...

Plenty of other countries have faced US aggression, or are in danger of such.

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux#Timeline has the timeline of back and forth between Microsoft and Linux

September 2016 - Microsoft moves its German headquarters to Munich[36] February 2017 - Politicians discuss proposals to replace the Linux-based OS used across the council with a Windows 10-based client.[37] October 2017 - Once seen as a stalwart supporter of open source, the city council last week said that running a Linux-based operating system on its PCs would not be cost efficient in the long run.[38] November 201…

And that's pretty much the reason anything is not fixed/properly built in government software or anything really, every 4 years scrap everything and start from scratch is not sustainable

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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IIRC, the initial Munich Linux Project ("Limux") from 2004 I think was somewhat of a failure. They spent millions migrating dozens of different Windows applications, but found that certain offices (e.g. the land registry) kept using Windows applications for obscure hard-to-replace services and databases, leading to friction.

Later they rolled back then entire migration just to re-announce a new Linux migration more recently, see https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-not-windows-why-munich-i...

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Windows, Office and Win Server (AD) make a combo that is quite difficult to replace. But if these cities are smart, they would pool their resources together to fund common tools. All the bits and pieces are already here. What is needed is a solid package that can be deployed and maintained easily, with user friendly GUI.

What is the big deal about AD? A directory of your employees? What's so important about that? (I don't work in corporate IT I genuinely don't know.)

AD allows admins to apply policy (settings) to every machine in the organization at once. And to make sure the users don't change them. The policies cover pretty much everything, and can be applied as strictly or loosely as you want. There really isn't an equivalent for Linux. You can set up Linux equivalents for bits and pieces of it, but the all in one solution that you can just drop down on the network and hand over control to some 20 something fresh faced recruit straight out of college who has not been an admin is not there. This is a huge use case for AD.

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Yes, it does. I don't want to have city documents in some cloud.

Why not? Seems unreasonable to expect that every city can manage their own secure data store...

Because very likely that would be another US company again. The whole point is to become less reliant on US companies.

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Software is culture, and when you move users from a middle-manager and bureaucracy-centric platform like Windows to a problem-solving power-tools platform like a Linux, it's going to change the culture of the organization. For the better I think, but the people this disadvantages will dig in hard.

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Windows, Office and Win Server (AD) make a combo that is quite difficult to replace. But if these cities are smart, they would pool their resources together to fund common tools. All the bits and pieces are already here. What is needed is a solid package that can be deployed and maintained easily, with user friendly GUI.

What is the big deal about AD? A directory of your employees? What's so important about that? (I don't work in corporate IT I genuinely don't know.)

AD is a directory of EVERYTHING. From users to groups, departments, divisions, printers, to remote access, device management, email, file shares... Many third party apps use it for either or both of authN and authR. You can use it to federate identities. It is vast in its scope and its reign is without equal.

Re: German city wants to ditch Microsoft for Linux

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Windows, Office and Win Server (AD) make a combo that is quite difficult to replace. But if these cities are smart, they would pool their resources together to fund common tools. All the bits and pieces are already here. What is needed is a solid package that can be deployed and maintained easily, with user friendly GUI.

What is the big deal about AD? A directory of your employees? What's so important about that? (I don't work in corporate IT I genuinely don't know.)

It's the lifeblood of enterprise IT. The AD manages everything that is concerned with authentication and authorization, not only of actual employees but often also of service accounts (servers).

If it's not managed through the AD, it's often not allowed to exist. It's also (legitimate or not) often the reason to go for a microsoft tool or (azure) service, because it 'integrates more easily' with the access management stuff that is in place.

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