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Re: Google sued for secretly amassing vast trove of user data

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Why should they? Tor is already there.

They should because it would be the right thing to do... and Firefox is more popular then the Tor browser, so it would help spread Tor adoption... a lot of people don't understand the benefits of hiding your IP... so they aren't going to download the Tor browser

I thought Firefox is already the defacto Tor browser?

Re: Google sued for secretly amassing vast trove of user data

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I have a personal gmail and a work gmail (G Suite), each using my full name, but both run in separate browsers using the same IP address. I always wonder if Google keeps a "master record" of people and all their associations, if not for security or to work with law enforcement.

IMO, that doesn't make a good trade off. The identity problem space is already super complicated due to ITP while the risk is very high. If you make mistakes, you will accidentally leak personal information to others while the benefits... are pretty minimal, probably having 1~2% more revenue from those people with dual accounts. Given that joining signed-in and signed-out identity is explicitly prohibited as a condition of Double Click acquisition, I doubt if there's any incentive to do this kind of joining for Google.

Re: Google sued for secretly amassing vast trove of user data

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> The fact that the user uses a private window or other means to indicates they don't want to be tracked probably makes this a more clear case. That’s a very confusing statement. My server logs don’t filter incoming log entries based on user agent, and certainly not on whether you’re using a “private window” or not. In addition, the goal of a private/incognito session is to be indistinguishable from regular sessions,…

Detecting when users of any browser are using Incognito mode goes against the spirit of privacy, even if it’s not being done to directly track people as such, and any information that some browsers share and others don’t helps add to a browser’s fingerprint. https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2019/07/22/chrome-76-blocks...

In laymen's terms, it's like wearing a black ski mask in a crowded shopping mall.

Re: Google sued for secretly amassing vast trove of user data

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(Disclaimer: I have a big personal gripe with Google, but I don't hate the company in general) Something has been on mind for a while. I see lawsuits against Google collecting / selling personal data and ideas to combat its monopoly in search. What I don't see is a discussion about regulating companies that have data on the majority of the population. I know for a fact that Google used search insights to inform strat…

Regulations don't make the problem go away. In fact, it's more likely Google will use the regulation to corner the market with regulatory capture.

This has been one of the chief complaints for GDPR, right? While GDPR provides consumer data protection, it also creates regulatory and compliance barriers for new competition entering those markets, with heavy penalties.

Re: Google sued for secretly amassing vast trove of user data

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They should because it would be the right thing to do... and Firefox is more popular then the Tor browser, so it would help spread Tor adoption... a lot of people don't understand the benefits of hiding your IP... so they aren't going to download the Tor browser

I thought Firefox is already the defacto Tor browser?

It is based on Firefox but it is not Firefox... but anyways, unlike the Tor browser, maybe Firefox should not use Tor in regular mode (only in incognito).

Re: Google sued for secretly amassing vast trove of user data

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Getting some semblance of control over my browsing habits and enabling the implementation of multiple-proxy-based browsing strategies is one reason why I wrote chrome-private.sh [1]. I go through hundreds of disposable browsing profiles every day. [1] https://github.com/atomontage/chrome-private

Interesting. Why disable gpu?

> Disables 3D APIs / WebGL, GPU acceleration by default while allowing them to be re-enabled through command-line switches.

Re: Google sued for secretly amassing vast trove of user data

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(Disclaimer: I have a big personal gripe with Google, but I don't hate the company in general) Something has been on mind for a while. I see lawsuits against Google collecting / selling personal data and ideas to combat its monopoly in search. What I don't see is a discussion about regulating companies that have data on the majority of the population. I know for a fact that Google used search insights to inform strat…

Regulations don't make the problem go away. In fact, it's more likely Google will use the regulation to corner the market with regulatory capture.

So what does make the problem go away? Antitrust seems to be the only option at this point.

Re: Google sued for secretly amassing vast trove of user data

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Which there is a warning of every time you open an incognito window. It's not fine print either, it's one of about six bullet points. "Your activity might still be visible to ... Websites you visit." This one is going nowhere I suspect. Just because a lawsuit asks for big damages does not mean the plaintiffs are likely to prevail on their claims.

While I share your skepticism of the suit, I think that that line may be seen as misleading. Google Analytics is NOT a website I visit, in general. Still, despite the Incognito mode, GA may well track me across the internet. Personally, I always took Incognito/In-Private browsing to be just a "delete cookies and history on exit" mode. But the way it is presented may suggest to many people that it is significantly mor…

Saying that "Google Analytics is NOT the website I visit" is the same as saying "React is NOT the UI I'm using" or "Stripe is NOT the store I'm buying from".

Modern day websites use readily available modules to build out functionality. Just because those modules were originally built by someone else doesn't mean that it's not part of the website you visit.

Full disclosure: I work at Google.

Re: Google sued for secretly amassing vast trove of user data

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Getting some semblance of control over my browsing habits and enabling the implementation of multiple-proxy-based browsing strategies is one reason why I wrote chrome-private.sh [1]. I go through hundreds of disposable browsing profiles every day. [1] https://github.com/atomontage/chrome-private

I'm doing something similar but less ephemeral. I have many web profiles, but they are dedicated, for example I have a Google profile where I open Gmail, drive, photos, etc. I have an FB one, a reddit one, an HN one, etc. About 15. Then Firefox for my regular browsing.

Re: Google sued for secretly amassing vast trove of user data

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They should because it would be the right thing to do... and Firefox is more popular then the Tor browser, so it would help spread Tor adoption... a lot of people don't understand the benefits of hiding your IP... so they aren't going to download the Tor browser

I thought Firefox is already the defacto Tor browser?

It is for me. Tor runs as a daemon, then I have my Firefox proxy settings to always hit Tor.

Onion addresses work, and Firefox refuses to connect if the Tor daemon isn't running.

Paired with Firefox actually honoring my requests to purge all information upon exit (instead of chrome only "kind of" doing it), it certainly works out quite well for me.

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