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Re: Ask HN: How are your companies addressing systemic racism?

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I work for a ginormous monster huge bank. Diversity and inclusion are incredibly important values at all levels. It’s not just lip service as the leadership goes well out of their way to impose these values. > What are your companies doing? I have been away on military assignment since the chaos caught fire, but before that the company strongly encouraged people to socialize outside their comfort groups and treat peo…

Thanks for sharing and for your service. Love this. Does the company have any structure to help facilitate people socializing outside their comfort zone?

Re: Ask HN: How are your companies addressing systemic racism?

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How do you even show that systematic racism exists? -edit to assuage the presumptuous- Assuming systematic racism does exist in US industry(I'm not from the US or live there) and a solution is provided to lessen it. At what point can you say that it no longer exists? I don't think there will ever come a time where the demographics of Executives In Industry will match the demographics of a nation. There are a million…

How do you think? I feel like step 1 is helping people care enough to slow down and understand what it is to be able to identify it in themselves, their networks and their organizations. This short video does a good job of illustrating how it piles up over time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrHIQIO_bdQ I look at the amazing team I'm surrounded by that is largely void of people of color and think about our hiring p…

Like an exorcism?

Re: Ask HN: How are your companies addressing systemic racism?

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No racism at our company. Neverthless we have well-structured independent channels to addresss systematic issues and biases when they emerge which fortunately do not require protesting. The personnel holding the position of these channels rotate after a fixed time so that they do not become authoritative or fascist.

It's great to hear that there are structured channels for communication about racism and bias. Your message is in conflict with itself though; you're saying there is no racism but that it is consistently addressed internally - racism and more broadly unconscious bias is everywhere. One of the things this time is reminding me of is that fixing this problem is not some one else's job, it's all of our jobs. Believing ra…

People can be discriminated against for all kinds of reasons and lack of great reasons. So I think you bring up a good point, and additionally it can also be generalized to be aware if we are doing enough to be inclusive of everyone.

Re: Ask HN: How are your companies addressing systemic racism?

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Unless a company is willing to do completely blind hiring and eventually promotions/raises anything they do internally to "address systemic racism" is merely posturing. To illustrate this point, suppose there's Big Corp A - a company that's extremely racist. However they say they're not racist. To prove this they do everything you could imagine for their employees, seminars, diversity training, etc. All of the employ…

Is there a word to describe a behavior e.g. doing just enough to look like you are actively trying to solve a problem?

It probably goes together with greenwashing and astroturfing.

Re: Ask HN: How are your companies addressing systemic racism?

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No racism at our company. Neverthless we have well-structured independent channels to addresss systematic issues and biases when they emerge which fortunately do not require protesting. The personnel holding the position of these channels rotate after a fixed time so that they do not become authoritative or fascist.

It's great to hear that there are structured channels for communication about racism and bias. Your message is in conflict with itself though; you're saying there is no racism but that it is consistently addressed internally - racism and more broadly unconscious bias is everywhere. One of the things this time is reminding me of is that fixing this problem is not some one else's job, it's all of our jobs. Believing ra…

I said we have well structured channels to address any kinds of issues. I never said they were being used to address racism internally but they could be used for it though, but like I said, we don't have this issue. You have misunderstood my comment to support your own worldview into mine.

Re: Ask HN: How are your companies addressing systemic racism?

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No racism at our company. Neverthless we have well-structured independent channels to addresss systematic issues and biases when they emerge which fortunately do not require protesting. The personnel holding the position of these channels rotate after a fixed time so that they do not become authoritative or fascist.

It's great to hear that there are structured channels for communication about racism and bias. Your message is in conflict with itself though; you're saying there is no racism but that it is consistently addressed internally - racism and more broadly unconscious bias is everywhere. One of the things this time is reminding me of is that fixing this problem is not some one else's job, it's all of our jobs. Believing ra…

Some people just want to make change happen in fields where there is no existing problem. Of course we face other issues that require change all the time but racism is not one of them in our company.

Re: Ask HN: How are your companies addressing systemic racism?

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I work for a ginormous monster huge bank. Diversity and inclusion are incredibly important values at all levels. It’s not just lip service as the leadership goes well out of their way to impose these values. > What are your companies doing? I have been away on military assignment since the chaos caught fire, but before that the company strongly encouraged people to socialize outside their comfort groups and treat peo…

Thanks for sharing and for your service. Love this. Does the company have any structure to help facilitate people socializing outside their comfort zone?

The two most common things that come to mind are social events and extracurricular work meetings associated with awareness of other areas of business. It’s such a big company that employees really are encouraged to take time away from their scheduled responsibilities to learn about what other people are doing.

The social events are sponsored by leadership which sometimes provides funding but team members are encouraged to be the driving force as a leadership building opportunity. Usually these are just things like potlucks or games at the office which require almost no spending or travel but there are also recreation days to entertainment locations outside the office.

Some of the events require a bit more effort for me to participate because I commute 45 miles to work one way where most people live close to the office.

The company is so big and diverse that I honestly don’t even notice race there. The thing that sticks out most for me are accents of employees where English is not their birth language, which requires more effort to parse during long phone meetings.

What I have noticed about this company is don’t be shy about meeting people. People are always nice and eager to meet. For some reason I am really shy in the corporate world and this is really hard for me. I find that I don’t want to be seen as pushy, superior, or impatient. I find that quite humility I learned from the military dominates all my social engagements around new people in the office to my limitation. I find that so strange because in the military I have been a platoon sergeant and managed large numbers of people in a high confrontation environment.

Re: Ask HN: How are your companies addressing systemic racism?

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I would view racism as a marketing problem. Some (most? all?) people associate certain races with bad traits. That's the underlying issue, and to a certain degree it is also a subconscious thing that people can't easily change, even if they want to. Protests won't make any difference, nor will public statements. Riots only make things worse. The best, and maybe only thing you can do is to show black people in a more positive light. You need marketing. It may sound stupid, but promote that you are a black leader at a startup and do valuable work for society.

Re: Ask HN: How are your companies addressing systemic racism?

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We are trying an approach where for every new hire we must get a diverse set of qualified candidates for the last round of interviews.

The idea is that we don't want our employees to feel they were hired because of their looks, but because they were the best candidate for the job. At the same time, we hope that as a company, this will make us work harder to ensure equal opportunity for underrepresented groups.

What's been challenging is to figure out how should we set the bar to measure our performance on this. Ultimately, it comes down to the representation among our employees, but I believe that setting specific goals earlier in the hiring process would help us get there.

Re: Ask HN: How are your companies addressing systemic racism?

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I see "isms" and "phobias" as regrettably rampant in America. Perhaps more now that at any other time in my life. This is a huge community problem.

That said, I feel these are not discussions that belong in the workplace particularly as you are a workplace leader, I personally think that sending a memo to your team to talk about your feelings was inappropriate.

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