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Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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I find the Ubuntu hardware certification a bit dubious specifically since they list all the hardware details. See, eg. https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201906-27127 (copied from another thread, as a reference)

Now, as a consumer, I don't have access to that level of details while trying to buy a laptop!

So, the certification both makes you believe your laptop will be compatible but then when it isn't they can come back and claim your specific controller or bluetooth card is not in the list.

This is, of course, the manufacturer's fault since they use the same product name for a large variety of component bags. In a way Dell XPS Linux Edition is good since it tells you upfront there's no tricks.

That being said, this news is encouraging but I want to know when can I buy laptops from this lot of certified devices?

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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My experience running Fedora Linux on a Thinkpad P1 Gen 2:

It's mostly very good!

- I'm running Fedora 32 and using Gnome. I love it. Gnome continues to improve a lot with each release, and overall the operating system feels very stable. I can't think of the last time I saw any error.

- This machine doesn't have great battery life regardless of what OS you are running, but after properly configuring the GPU, battery life on linux is on par with Windows if not a bit better. I've also undervolted the cpu, which is easy to do and provides even better batter life.

- I was able to install all the software I needed using a combination of the Fedora rpm repositories, rpmfusion, and flathub. I actually have come to prefer flatpaks over other installation methods for software like bitwarden, spotify, riot, slack, etc. I don't notice the same performance issues I have seen with snaps on Ubuntu. I install Steam from rpmfusion, and am surprised at how nice the linux gaming experience is these days.

There are a few things that are less than stellar, though.

- It takes a little work to get decent battery life because of the nvidia gpu, and the setup isn't perfect. External displays must be run of the discrete gpu, so you can't get them to work if you are just running off the integrated intel chip, which provides the best battery life. In fact, external displays don't work when using "prime offloading" either. You need to set the nvidia gpu as the primary gpu to get external displays to work. What this all adds up to is that I need to change a config value and log out/back in depending on whether I am plugged in to an external display or not. I have a script that does this so it isn't that bad.

Interestingly, with the latest kernel release the nouveau driver is working for my nvidia card and, at least according to powertop, is able to dynamically switch from power-saving to primary mode when an external display is connected. I am also hopeful nvidia will resolve this in the next release.

- Docker is still a pain to set up on 32. There's no docker-ce repo, but you can install from the Fedora 31 repos, and to get it to work some system and firewall configuration is required. This is all pretty well documented in a github issue now, but it took a lot of troubleshooting at first.

That's my experience, and it has improved a lot since the machine first came out and I was running Fedora 30. There were initially several serious firmware bugs which took a long time to get resolved, and the OS/driver support was not nearly as good as it is now. Overall, I would recommend this combo if you need a powerful machine.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

#133

I have a Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga that claims to be certified by both Lenovo and Canonical for Ubuntu. Finger print sensor doesn't work, the fans are super loud all the time, audio doesn't work (requires a newer Linux kernel than the one shipped in the latest Ubuntu), EFI problems, sleep, hibernate, fast-boot, restore from hibernate problems, battery life on Linux is horrible... So at least the certification for Ubuntu i…

I can't help but wonder if this means they will add "linux support" to their install.

People may have forgotten on the windows side they added software to the bios that would install itself even on a clean windows install

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Lenovo_Service_Engine

hmm, "Customer Feedback Program" or "Lenovo Accelerator" look similar.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>If you want to buy a Linux laptop, avoid Lenovo like the plague. They have absolutely zero quality assurance for Linux. Isn't this a bit too harsh on them? We've had good experiences on T and L series. I am using L470 with fedora 27 for the last 2 years and I have not had any issues so far. I have gone till 78 days without a shutdown. It's been more stable than windows on suspend to ram cycles. I did have issues wi…

No, it's not too harsh. I have a T440s, bought with the wrong (rtl8192ee) wifi chipset, and their support has been practically nonexistent. If you're a big company, you can test the hardware before letting all your employees adopt it (and I know that my colleagues are quite happy with their X1 Carbon), but if you're a consumer and you find out that the hardware doesn't have (good/reliable) Linux drivers, you need to…

The biggest take away is make sure your hardware supports the software you want before you make expensive purchases.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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post #62

Will you still have to pay the Windows Tax on these products?

Came here to ask the same thing.

Infuriating as hell that we are forced to pay for something that not only we don't wish to use or support, but it also inflates the Windows sales figures and percieved install base vs Linux installed base. Grr.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

#136
post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>If you want to buy a Linux laptop, avoid Lenovo like the plague. They have absolutely zero quality assurance for Linux. Isn't this a bit too harsh on them? We've had good experiences on T and L series. I am using L470 with fedora 27 for the last 2 years and I have not had any issues so far. I have gone till 78 days without a shutdown. It's been more stable than windows on suspend to ram cycles. I did have issues wi…

No, it's not too harsh. I have a T440s, bought with the wrong (rtl8192ee) wifi chipset, and their support has been practically nonexistent. If you're a big company, you can test the hardware before letting all your employees adopt it (and I know that my colleagues are quite happy with their X1 Carbon), but if you're a consumer and you find out that the hardware doesn't have (good/reliable) Linux drivers, you need to…

I think they’re one of the manufacturers that has a whitelist of wireless cards as well. So sometime you can’t even replace it with something that works.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dirty hack, like bumblebee? Well since driver 440.44 this kind of thing is incooperated into the nvidia driver itself. You can use it on demand. It idles at around 1w and is used for some physics and other decoding capabilities if i recall correctly. If you want to run a game or an app using nvidia you prepend it with an environment variable, otherwise intel gfx is used. It's not dirty, and works quite well imho... T…

(ne plus ultra: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ne%20plus%20ultra )

It's universally non plus ultra

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_eng...

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

#138

I have a Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga that claims to be certified by both Lenovo and Canonical for Ubuntu. Finger print sensor doesn't work, the fans are super loud all the time, audio doesn't work (requires a newer Linux kernel than the one shipped in the latest Ubuntu), EFI problems, sleep, hibernate, fast-boot, restore from hibernate problems, battery life on Linux is horrible... So at least the certification for Ubuntu i…

For new hardware Ubuntu isn't exactly the distribution I would recommend. You may have a better chance trying a distro like Fedora or Arch. Speaking from my personal experience I have a X1 Yoga 1st gen and installed then updated Fedora from 29 to 31 it's a pretty much hassle-free process (apart from the fingerprint, which never worked in the first place and I don't use it anyway), I postpone the update from 31 to 32 mainly because I have some serious work ongoing, but I'm sure it will be smooth. You already shared you thought about "certifications", but I think the fact that Lenovo is starting Fedora Laptops[0] is telling in this regard.

0: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2020/05/08/lenov...

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

#139
post #108

I have a Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga that claims to be certified by both Lenovo and Canonical for Ubuntu. Finger print sensor doesn't work, the fans are super loud all the time, audio doesn't work (requires a newer Linux kernel than the one shipped in the latest Ubuntu), EFI problems, sleep, hibernate, fast-boot, restore from hibernate problems, battery life on Linux is horrible... So at least the certification for Ubuntu i…

>>If you want to buy a Linux laptop, avoid Lenovo like the plague. They have absolutely zero quality assurance for Linux. Isn't this a bit too harsh on them? We've had good experiences on T and L series. I am using L470 with fedora 27 for the last 2 years and I have not had any issues so far. I have gone till 78 days without a shutdown. It's been more stable than windows on suspend to ram cycles. I did have issues wi…

I've had mostly good experience with P5x laptops. I haven't gotten the fingerprint reader to work, and have had some minor issues with multiple monitors with the proprietary nvidia drivers. But other than that they've worked pretty well.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

#140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's not too harsh. I have a T440s, bought with the wrong (rtl8192ee) wifi chipset, and their support has been practically nonexistent. If you're a big company, you can test the hardware before letting all your employees adopt it (and I know that my colleagues are quite happy with their X1 Carbon), but if you're a consumer and you find out that the hardware doesn't have (good/reliable) Linux drivers, you need to…

The biggest take away is make sure your hardware supports the software you want before you make expensive purchases.

Is that information that Lenovo publishes? In the following page it shows some model numbers. Is there a guaranteed 1:1 mapping from model number to chipset?

https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd100264

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