De-Escalation Keeps Protesters and Police Safer

Post by grupthink » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 1:08 PM UTC

briandear wrote: post #258

idealboy wrote: post #203

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Insightful reply. I marched yesterday and police fired rubber bullets into a peaceful crowd because we were blocking a non-essential intersection. On a Sunday. We refused to leave and fortunately they left and let us have a peaceful march. There doesn’t seem to be an interest in separating out the extreme minority that protest violently. There had been zero violence or destruction that day. A very well-behaved crowd…

Was everyone wearing masks and practicing social distancing of at least 6 feet? Weren’t we told that the reopen protesters were putting people at risk by protesting from their cars? I don’t disagree with the reason for protest, but if a church can’t be open, even outdoors, and an extended family picnic is illegal in a public park, then I am not sure the rationale for allowing protests now. The first amendment isn’t c…

Post by sockgrant » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 2:59 PM UTC

olliej wrote: post #18

sockgrant wrote: post #9

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Sorry, your comment might make some good points but you lost me, your reader, when you made absolute claims about police officers. There certainly exist police that just want to be tough guys and beat people up. But there’s plenty officers not like that. You detract from your other points by taking such a black and white stance.

And yet none of those officers turn in the abusive officers, and in fact are often pushed out of the force, if not straight up fired. So officers working side by side with abusive officers are absolutely complicit.

Post by sockgrant » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 3:06 PM UTC

sneak wrote: post #245

sockgrant wrote: post #9

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Sorry, your comment might make some good points but you lost me, your reader, when you made absolute claims about police officers. There certainly exist police that just want to be tough guys and beat people up. But there’s plenty officers not like that. You detract from your other points by taking such a black and white stance.

It astounds me that people persist in this naive, ignorant, and destructive viewpoint even when provided with gigabytes upon gigabytes of video evidence to the contrary. "Cop" isn't just a job. It's a social contract amongst the police and prosecutorial apparatus. There are no police for the police. Police rape and murder with impunity. Did you know that cops beat their domestic partners at a rate 5x greater than the…

Post by meerita » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 7:02 PM UTC

carb wrote: post #675

meerita wrote: post #600

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Another point: Persona A goes and kill my neighboor, Can I (or is it good to) go out and do whatever a I want? Like rioting, beating people and destroying other people property?

If you have proof that Person A killed your neighbor, and yet they were being protected from prosecution, of course I would support your right to protest. Sometimes the only way to get change is with large public support. Unfortunately, today's news focuses only on violence and fear mongering. You will eventually realize that peaceful protests have never successfully brought change. You will find yourself screaming i…

Post by foolinaround » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 7:09 PM UTC

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foolinaround wrote: post #337

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Insightful questions that we need to ask ourselves... In hindsight, it seems like all that social distancing and lockdown regulations were all a power grab, and we all fell for it. Downvoting this comment is a disservice because it stifles the conversation.

When you have a disease killing more people than malaria despite the massive lockdowns , there is no legitimate way to have a conversation. And in case you think 'yeah but the lock downs don't work' look at Vietnam: they are the first country to have local transmission outside China, and they started anti-pandemic measures in December. Results? 95 million people, 329 caught the virus, 0 deaths as of today. Not 329 th…