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Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by jotm »

supernova87a wrote: post #70
MattGaiser wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These people see 5G as this set of radioactive beams which is between the tower and the phone. Radiation causes cancer and vomiting as far as their information (HBO’s Chernobyl) is concerned. They see the solution in the clothing of the liquidators from that rooftop scene, i.e. those thick black gowns of lead lining. They want coats instead though as the gowns look too poor for them. They are looking to purchase such…

I would imagine the lead in the clothing poses more of a threat to their health than the radio waves.

Yeah, copper or aluminum would work just as well, if not better :D

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by jotm »

adventured wrote: post #16
abledon wrote: post #2

has anyone had to hear their crazy relatives go on about the dangers of 5G? Is there some penultimate youtube video or resource to point people to to assuage their fears?

I spent many hours arguing with a smart friend about this. I was unable to find any argument to get her to stop believing 5G is boiling/damaging/altering people's blood with "high powered energy waves" or similar (the blood clot revelations have only amplified that conspiracy angle). I find a commonality among most conspiracy theory people is vast ignorance of the topic in question and any underlying science. This is…

It's the religion thing, the belief there's got to be something big at work, always something or someone controlling the masses. Whether it's God, aliens, lizards, or a super group of people.

Because the alternative is that their life, everyone's life, is meaningless on a macro level.

People seem to almost violently reject that thought. Just like they reject any thoughts about death as if they're going to live forever (if not on Earth, then in Heaven/Hell/Purgatory/etc). It's rather fascinating.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by sradman »

kevin_nisbet wrote: post #50
rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #6

I'm as much a proponent of free trade as the next guy, but I do think there's a strong argument for trying to build and maintaining one's own infrastructure whenever possible, even if it's a bit more expensive. Not just for national security concerns, but because they're big domestic projects and it's nice to have to the talent and knowledge at home.

I think we already bungled that one with Nortel going bankrupt, and getting parted up and sold off. And I don't think the solution for that, should've been, lets bail them out because it's in the national interest. We're in this really weird state where these bailouts allow privatizing the profits and socializing the losses. Even if that didn't happen, would Nortel survive anyways with the major consolidations over t…

You may be interested in the book “100 Days: The Rush to Judgement that Killed Nortel” by James Bagnall. This story should be better known as it is a cautionary tale of virtue signalling, both by American regulators and Nortel’s Board of Directors, trumping critical thinking. Ultimately a great deal of consumer value was destroyed due to the presumption of wrongdoing.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by wastedhours »

seotut2 wrote: post #123
giomasce wrote: post #67

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Wow, in Belgium you can get the same for around 15 EUR and in Italy you can get 50 GB for less than 10 EUR...

And in Romania you get 50GB for 2 EUR (basically the plan is unlimited data, but with speed limited to 256kbps after 50GiB.). The speeds are quite good too, I personally reached 100Mbps on 4G on my phone in some places. The 5G plan includes 80GB traffic for the same package. ++++++++++ I'm actually using this 2EUR plan as my main internet service at the moment, as I temporarily moved to the country side. I could get…

Connectivity was one of the major reasons I was looking at flats in Cluj a little while ago, even roaming on a UK SIM up in the mountains I was getting rock-solid 4G at all times (and even down in Salina Turda).

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by jotm »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #127
Synaesthesia wrote: post #99

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South Africa, well I don’t know if it counts as western but we’re rolling out 5G and using Huawei, as we did for our previous gen towers.

Well you can't beat their pricing ... we don't have the luxury of spending $$$ on an ideological decision.

Are they really cheaper? Anyone have the prices?

I think even if they're cheaper now, they'll raise their prices later. And then you'd just be lining up the CCPs pockets at the expense of EU companies (does not apply to SA, I'm just saying for EU citizens).

I was really disappointed in their newest high end phones. On par with Samsung in quality and price, but instead of making them more open (for custom mods and ROMs) they just went down the lockdown route. "Bootloader is locked for the user's safety"... Yeah, right.

Shame, that's one thing they could've kept doing to distinguish themselves and their products.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by LatteLazy »

bb123 wrote: post #149
LatteLazy wrote: post #147

Despite zero actual evidence, everyone seems sure that Huawei are a security issue. Despite enormous evidence, everyone seems sure that Western countries are NOT a security issue. Last time I checked, Huawei actually offered a better product (speed, price, reliability). Am I missing something or are people cheering for the opportunity to pay more for a worse product with more security issues?!

The issue isn't the product itself - the issue is that the company that produces is controlled by an outwardly hostile foreign nation that has a history of carrying out state sponsored cyber attacks against critical infrastructure in the west.

Help me out here: link me to an actual Chinese state sponsored cyber attack. There are a few that might of possibly could have been something or maybe not according to someone. I don't doubt china are capable, but they don't seem to be doing it.

And that's exactly the same as the US. Plus the US are actively spying including using their power to support US companies and undermine democracies.

I wanna be clear here, neither "side" is to be trusted or safe or fine. But China is no more of a threat to third party nations' network security that the US as far as I can tell.

And I am normally the one being Hawkish on China.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by theklub »

bgee wrote: post #60
Scoundreller wrote: post #48

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But if Huawei is a Chinese spy, shouldn't the government put some restrictions on that too for public benefit? But they can't with the ban-but-not-a-ban on Huawei. It would be too obvious that there was a ban if providers scrubbed Huawei consumer products entirely, and those consumers pay the price. And while you have the option to not buy them, it's not so easy to avoid communication with anyone with a Huawei device…

Disclaimer: China national working for the American company behind Android; opinions are my own. > But if Huawei is a Chinese spy Has Huawei been caught with a smoking gun? Is Huawei worse in terms of security compared to other telecom suppliers? If (national) security is really Canada's top priority, it seems the most needed ban is on American consumer products/websites [0]? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_…

There are plenty of other reasons not to do business with China. Spying is just the tip of the iceberg.
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