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Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by gwd »

dijit wrote: post #124
rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #6

I'm as much a proponent of free trade as the next guy, but I do think there's a strong argument for trying to build and maintaining one's own infrastructure whenever possible, even if it's a bit more expensive. Not just for national security concerns, but because they're big domestic projects and it's nice to have to the talent and knowledge at home.

> but I do think there's a strong argument for trying to build and maintaining one's own infrastructure whenever possible I agree. Europe should not depend on (and funnel money to) The US with Microsoft licenses for government and CPUs. All the tech we depend on comes from the US, almost nothing is home grown. Would you agree that we should have our own or are you coming from a position of North American protectionis…

FWIW as an American expat, I think it does make a lot of sense for Europe to encourage local software and hardware industries. I think this may be where a lot of the FLOSS activism in Europe comes from.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by linker3000 »

Reason077 wrote: post #137
sumedh wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia is similar as well, most of the population is in few cities with huge empty outback. The rates here are around 25 USD for unlimited text and calls with around 30 gigs of data.

Right now in the UK I’m paying £30/month for unlimited 5G data. 30 day contract, 5G roaming in many European countries. I’ve seen download speeds as high as 400 Mbps. Streaming games on my Mac from Google Stadia in perfect lag-free 1080p!

Right now in the UK I’m paying £8/month for 7GB 4G data, 30 day contract, EU roaming, unlimited calls and texts (Plusnet, SIM only).

Which works for me because I am mostly on wifi or (current situation notwithstanding) on a very short commute.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by severino »

rubatuga wrote: post #39

Bell is already using Huawei components in other parts of their network. When I opened my Bell fiber modem last year, I noticed Bell was using a 1.25 Gbit Huawei SFP+ transceiver. Is there any possibility of a backdoor?

Yes, there is. However, you should not be worried. I mean, as a western citizen, I prefer my data to be in the hands of a government which has nothing to do with me, instead of my own government.

That's what this is all about. Trump wasn't banning Huawei so the Chinese couldn't spy on you. He did it so HE could spy on you.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by dna_polymerase »

Scoundreller wrote: post #48
jbay808 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have an issue with Huawei phones being available. I have the option not to buy them. It's not the same as network equipment.

But if Huawei is a Chinese spy, shouldn't the government put some restrictions on that too for public benefit? But they can't with the ban-but-not-a-ban on Huawei. It would be too obvious that there was a ban if providers scrubbed Huawei consumer products entirely, and those consumers pay the price. And while you have the option to not buy them, it's not so easy to avoid communication with anyone with a Huawei device…

Did you ask for the same for Apple after the Snowden revelations?

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by [deleted] »

quietthrow wrote: post #97

Can somebody articulate why using huawei a bad idea beside it’s a Chinese company and using those equipments gives China backdoor access into critical systems and everything it connects to. Or is that basically it? I am trying to understand this objectively as if sitting on mars why this is a good or bad idea.

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Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by Reason077 »

linker3000 wrote: post #142
Reason077 wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now in the UK I’m paying £30/month for unlimited 5G data. 30 day contract, 5G roaming in many European countries. I’ve seen download speeds as high as 400 Mbps. Streaming games on my Mac from Google Stadia in perfect lag-free 1080p!

Right now in the UK I’m paying £8/month for 7GB 4G data, 30 day contract, EU roaming, unlimited calls and texts (Plusnet, SIM only). Which works for me because I am mostly on wifi or (current situation notwithstanding) on a very short commute.

In my case, 5G is my WiFi! With the added benefit of being a battery-powered router (Huawei E6878) which I can take with me for fast WiFi wherever I need it. Why pay extra for wired broadband?

(7GB data would be no good at all for me - I'd burn through that in about 30 minutes!)

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by LatteLazy »

Despite zero actual evidence, everyone seems sure that Huawei are a security issue.

Despite enormous evidence, everyone seems sure that Western countries are NOT a security issue.

Last time I checked, Huawei actually offered a better product (speed, price, reliability).

Am I missing something or are people cheering for the opportunity to pay more for a worse product with more security issues?!

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by deskamess »

arcticbull wrote: post #54
refurb wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People complain about the lack of cell phone providers here in the US, but damn! Canada is way worse. The cost of phone plans is outrageous and the major telecoms do everything in their power to stop new entrants from messing up their gravy train.

Is it really though? I mean, it used to be. Rogers wants $75/mth (CAD - $55 USD) for 10GB data and unlimited talk and text. Let's compare to the US: - AT&T wants 65++ USD ($87 CAD) for a comparable plan. - Verizon wants 70++ USD ($94 CAD) for a comparable plan. - TMo wants 70 (all in) USD ($94 CAD) for a comparable plan. And each network in Canada is dramatically better than AT&T and TMo, and roughly comparable to Ve…

You should read this [1]. "For years, Sweden-based tefficient’s annual reports on global wireless prices have been a headache for Canadian telcos, showing that our wireless providers make more money per user than telcos anywhere else."

So how do you make yourself look better. Do not provide the data for the report. Canada has been removed from the list. No longer the worst.

[1] https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/tefficient-canada-wirele...

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by bb123 »

LatteLazy wrote: post #147

Despite zero actual evidence, everyone seems sure that Huawei are a security issue. Despite enormous evidence, everyone seems sure that Western countries are NOT a security issue. Last time I checked, Huawei actually offered a better product (speed, price, reliability). Am I missing something or are people cheering for the opportunity to pay more for a worse product with more security issues?!

The issue isn't the product itself - the issue is that the company that produces is controlled by an outwardly hostile foreign nation that has a history of carrying out state sponsored cyber attacks against critical infrastructure in the west.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by mrweasel »

augustt wrote: post #94

That's great. Picking Scandinavia over China (CCP really) should be a no-brainer, if you care about who you're doing business with.

I love seeing Nokia and Ericsson do well, but in all this I feel like there's something most people, and governments fail to realize:

Sure, Huawei could add backdoors to their equipment, but why bother? Telcos often have Huawei run their networks anyway, they have access to the network via the Chinese employees. That's also the only way they would be able to exfiltrate large amounts of data without anyone noticing.

I don't know about Nokia, but Ericsson manages networks from low wage eastern European countries. I'm sure that China could easily pay off a few Romanians with they really cared enough.

The mandate on the phone companies should be to manage their own networks, or require staff local to the country in which the network is deployed.

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