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Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

#101

I would love to know whether the fundamental objection over security vulnerabilities in the hardware and software of Huawei is resolved with this decision. Or if Nokia and Ericsson are just as susceptible and it was just political posturing.

It's not vulnerabilities they're worried about. The Chinese Communist Party effectively controls Huawei. For obvious reasons this is much more risky than sourcing equipment from ideological/political allies in Europe.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

#102

Bell is already using Huawei components in other parts of their network. When I opened my Bell fiber modem last year, I noticed Bell was using a 1.25 Gbit Huawei SFP+ transceiver. Is there any possibility of a backdoor?

You should ask the same for other/western manufacturers especially after PRISM was revealed.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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It’s not a viewpoint, it’s a fact. Important difference.

The 'crazies' seem to do an okay job sharing the reality they perceive. Don't limit yourself with a belief that only one viewpoint on a given topic is The One Truth™. A person's sincere belief in something is what that makes that thing true.

I agreed when you said you shouldn't call people crazy. But this...

>A person's sincere belief in something is what that makes that thing true.

...is dangerous B.S. As they saying goes — People are entitled to their own opinions, they aren't entitled to their own facts.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

#104

Can somebody articulate why using huawei a bad idea beside it’s a Chinese company and using those equipments gives China backdoor access into critical systems and everything it connects to. Or is that basically it? I am trying to understand this objectively as if sitting on mars why this is a good or bad idea.

Using Huawei will pump money into Huawei pockets - allowing them to spend more on R&D for the next-gen tech (6G), resulting in China cementing technological primacy in telecoms - which just won't do as such proficiencies tend to spill-over into related fields (chip design & fabrication, RF engineering & software chops for civilian and military applications). All this is bad (from the perspective of the US)

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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People complain about the lack of cell phone providers here in the US, but damn! Canada is way worse. The cost of phone plans is outrageous and the major telecoms do everything in their power to stop new entrants from messing up their gravy train.

I think it's far more difficult to build a competitive network in Canada vs the US. Canada is as big as the US, but has 1/10th the population. Building and maintaining infrastructure for low-density population areas is extremely capital intensive. I am not saying the existing Telco oligopoly is a good or ideal situation. Just mentioning that US and Canada have some differences in this regard

Australia has similar population size and density issues as Canada, and yet they manage to provide plans at 1/2 the price we pay here.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

#106

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Coverage 100x the population across 100x the landmass would cost the same per capita.

That's not taking into account geography, though. The entirety of the coverage in Iceland is along a thin ring of highway that encircles the island, and a big dense infill in Reykjavik. It's not the same at all. I'd bet pricing would be comparable if Bell's network just extended along the Trans Canada Highway, and in each major city. Even that's not a fair comparison since Iceland is literally encircled, so you never…

That cellmapper.net site you're looking at has crap data. Look at their Bell map, it also shows coverage over like 4 highways and nothing else.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Is it really though? I mean, it used to be. Rogers wants $75/mth (CAD - $55 USD) for 10GB data and unlimited talk and text. Let's compare to the US: - AT&T wants 65++ USD ($87 CAD) for a comparable plan. - Verizon wants 70++ USD ($94 CAD) for a comparable plan. - TMo wants 70 (all in) USD ($94 CAD) for a comparable plan. And each network in Canada is dramatically better than AT&T and TMo, and roughly comparable to Ve…

Wow, in Belgium you can get the same for around 15 EUR and in Italy you can get 50 GB for less than 10 EUR...

Yes, the US is one of the highest priced mobile markets in the world, so it is not exactly fair to compare to them. The rest of the world pays far lower rates than the US and Canada.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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The 'crazies' seem to do an okay job sharing the reality they perceive. Don't limit yourself with a belief that only one viewpoint on a given topic is The One Truth™. A person's sincere belief in something is what that makes that thing true.

I agreed when you said you shouldn't call people crazy. But this... >A person's sincere belief in something is what that makes that thing true. ...is dangerous B.S. As they saying goes — People are entitled to their own opinions, they aren't entitled to their own facts.

Yeah, I get it. But then you have to define 'fact', and as far as I can tell the only thing that makes something factual is when enough people share the same opinion about it.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

#109
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Anyone who lives in Canada should comment on this. Their mobile data cost is over the roof expensive! This is in comparison already expensive cost in Australia. They need to manage to give everyone affordable 5G monthly data plan first!

Canadian here. I don't especially care about having a 5G plan, but I support this decision.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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In other news; here in Denmark the government has barred Huawei by decree. Also covering Greenland and Faroe Islands. The situation is a bit different here since as there are multiple competing network operators (at least in mainland DK). Germany's main network operators are also decling Huawei; not by direct government decree though. So Huawei seems to be loosing 5G contracts all over the western world.

Actually in which western countries will Huawei implement 5G networks? I know they are technically allowed some places but no operators dare to hire them.

The 5G network in the south of Stockholm by 3 is with Huawei, ironically where Ericsson previously had their main office
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