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Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by chvid »

chvid wrote: post #88

In other news; here in Denmark the government has barred Huawei by decree. Also covering Greenland and Faroe Islands. The situation is a bit different here since as there are multiple competing network operators (at least in mainland DK). Germany's main network operators are also decling Huawei; not by direct government decree though. So Huawei seems to be loosing 5G contracts all over the western world.

Actually in which western countries will Huawei implement 5G networks? I know they are technically allowed some places but no operators dare to hire them.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by Scoundreller »

arcticbull wrote: post #83
Scoundreller wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coverage 100x the population across 100x the landmass would cost the same per capita.

That's not taking into account geography, though. The entirety of the coverage in Iceland is along a thin ring of highway that encircles the island, and a big dense infill in Reykjavik. It's not the same at all. I'd bet pricing would be comparable if Bell's network just extended along the Trans Canada Highway, and in each major city. Even that's not a fair comparison since Iceland is literally encircled, so you never…

But Iceland has nearly nationwide coverage with a lower population density than Canada: https://vodafone.is/english/mobile-coverage/

And Iceland isn’t exactly flat/seismologically stable.

If anything, Canadian rates should be far cheaper than Iceland’s because Canada telcos only cover a small fraction of the landmass.

Outside of AB and Sask, the coverage usually is along the trans-Canada and populated pockets.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by mthoms »

O_H_E wrote: post #3

For the unfamiliar, these are the bigger 2 of the big 3 ISPs in Canada. The basically own most of the actual telecommunication infrastructure, Rogers got some but not much.

>Rogers got some but not much.

The Rogers network is massive. Bell (which is larger in the east) and Telus (western based) share infrastructure. Rogers is their nation-wide competitor.

Rogers' LTE network covers 95% of the population (according to wiki).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Wireless#LTE

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by smachiz »

Scoundreller wrote: post #80
kevin_nisbet wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you in concept, but I don't know that the geography fully explains the discrepancy. As an example, there are government incentives to do the build out to more rural areas, but that might be true in the US as well. We also tried to implement more carriers several years ago, with a wireless spectrum auction that reserved spectrum for new entrants. These startups tried to focus solely on urban areas with th…

Wind mobile was doomed because they were issued 1.7ghz spectrum. That’s going to make any urban-area buildout prohibitively expensive because it doesn’t penetrate well.

That's actually the inverse of the problem. Yes, 1.7Ghz doesn't penetrate well, but in cities you want density, because you have population density. Low band is still useful, but not nearly as advantaged as in rural areas.

In rural areas, using 1.7Ghz vs 600Mhz or 700Mhz spectrum means building 4x the amount of towers to cover the same square miles.

That's opex, capex *4. It's really expensive, with no benefits at all as you're not capacity constrained at all on radios/spectrum in rural areas.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by rexarex »

51Cards wrote: post #81
Scoundreller wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wat? T-Mobile wants US$35 (incl taxes!) for a much better plan. Includes Netflix even. And they only start throttling at 50gb. https://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phone-plans The Canadian networks are “better” because every Canadian rations their usage. I’d wager that Canadian networks are wayyyy underprovisioned compared to even the crappiest US network.

I would be curious about the underprovisioned thing... that's very possible. I travel to the US frequently (well before the world turned upside-down) and I would say in 8/10 US cities I visit I experience frustratingly worse cell coverage than I do at home. Slow speeds, call drops, etc. This isn't just on my personal phone but also on all of the cellular devices we bring with us. (we provide equipment for trade-shows…

I moved from an unremarkable city in Canada to San Francisco and the cellular service here is terrible. Only Verizon is comparable and even then that just means it is reliable. T-Mobile is a joke in SF.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by quietthrow »

Can somebody articulate why using huawei a bad idea beside it’s a Chinese company and using those equipments gives China backdoor access into critical systems and everything it connects to. Or is that basically it? I am trying to understand this objectively as if sitting on mars why this is a good or bad idea.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by arcticbull »

rexarex wrote: post #96
51Cards wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be curious about the underprovisioned thing... that's very possible. I travel to the US frequently (well before the world turned upside-down) and I would say in 8/10 US cities I visit I experience frustratingly worse cell coverage than I do at home. Slow speeds, call drops, etc. This isn't just on my personal phone but also on all of the cellular devices we bring with us. (we provide equipment for trade-shows…

I moved from an unremarkable city in Canada to San Francisco and the cellular service here is terrible. Only Verizon is comparable and even then that just means it is reliable. T-Mobile is a joke in SF.

Just wait until you try and use T-Mobile at Tacolicious -- or anywhere else -- in the Mission haha. You'll be lucky to get 1Mbit/sec no matter how many bars it shows.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by Synaesthesia »

chvid wrote: post #91
chvid wrote: post #88

In other news; here in Denmark the government has barred Huawei by decree. Also covering Greenland and Faroe Islands. The situation is a bit different here since as there are multiple competing network operators (at least in mainland DK). Germany's main network operators are also decling Huawei; not by direct government decree though. So Huawei seems to be loosing 5G contracts all over the western world.

Actually in which western countries will Huawei implement 5G networks? I know they are technically allowed some places but no operators dare to hire them.

South Africa, well I don’t know if it counts as western but we’re rolling out 5G and using Huawei, as we did for our previous gen towers.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Post by kortilla »

bgee wrote: post #60
Scoundreller wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if Huawei is a Chinese spy, shouldn't the government put some restrictions on that too for public benefit? But they can't with the ban-but-not-a-ban on Huawei. It would be too obvious that there was a ban if providers scrubbed Huawei consumer products entirely, and those consumers pay the price. And while you have the option to not buy them, it's not so easy to avoid communication with anyone with a Huawei device…

Disclaimer: China national working for the American company behind Android; opinions are my own. > But if Huawei is a Chinese spy Has Huawei been caught with a smoking gun? Is Huawei worse in terms of security compared to other telecom suppliers? If (national) security is really Canada's top priority, it seems the most needed ban is on American consumer products/websites [0]? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_…

Canada generally shares the same views on democracy as the US; and, more importantly, is part of the same intelligence alliance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
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