has anyone had to hear their crazy relatives go on about the dangers of 5G? Is there some penultimate youtube video or resource to point people to to assuage their fears?
You probably shouldn't call people "crazy" if you hope to ever bring them around to your viewpoint.
Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks
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Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks
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Just goes to show that Canadian telecom policy is controlled by telecoms, not by the government. It's very cozy and regularly functions to discourage competition. Canadian telecom policy still revolves around "facilities-based competition", where it's believed that new entrants should build out a new network. It's designed to fail. Even the incumbents, Bell and Telus, share a 3G/4G mobile network to avoid redundant i…
> Just goes to show that Canadian telecom policy is controlled by telecoms, not by the government. It's very cozy and regularly functions to discourage competition. It's easy to say that, but Canada has a smaller population than California, but spread over the surface area larger than that of the United States. How many carriers, and how much competition, can you possibly expect in that environment? Especially in an…
Canadians could only dream of their rates.
Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks
#63has anyone had to hear their crazy relatives go on about the dangers of 5G? Is there some penultimate youtube video or resource to point people to to assuage their fears?
I spent many hours arguing with a smart friend about this. I was unable to find any argument to get her to stop believing 5G is boiling/damaging/altering people's blood with "high powered energy waves" or similar (the blood clot revelations have only amplified that conspiracy angle). I find a commonality among most conspiracy theory people is vast ignorance of the topic in question and any underlying science. This is…
Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Just goes to show that Canadian telecom policy is controlled by telecoms, not by the government. It's very cozy and regularly functions to discourage competition. It's easy to say that, but Canada has a smaller population than California, but spread over the surface area larger than that of the United States. How many carriers, and how much competition, can you possibly expect in that environment? Especially in an…
I'd expect rates as good as Iceland's, which has an even lower population density than Canada, and covers a much higher percentage of their country. Canadians could only dream of their rates.
[1] https://www.cellmapper.net/map?MCC=274&MNC=1&type=LTE&latitu...
Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks
#65They need to manage to give everyone affordable 5G monthly data plan first!
Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks
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But if Huawei is a Chinese spy, shouldn't the government put some restrictions on that too for public benefit? But they can't with the ban-but-not-a-ban on Huawei. It would be too obvious that there was a ban if providers scrubbed Huawei consumer products entirely, and those consumers pay the price. And while you have the option to not buy them, it's not so easy to avoid communication with anyone with a Huawei device…
Disclaimer: China national working for the American company behind Android; opinions are my own. > But if Huawei is a Chinese spy Has Huawei been caught with a smoking gun? Is Huawei worse in terms of security compared to other telecom suppliers? If (national) security is really Canada's top priority, it seems the most needed ban is on American consumer products/websites [0]? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_…
If govs knew, they wouldn't publish it to avoid straining already strained relationships. But would do behind-the-scenes work to keep Huawei out of critical infrastructure.
Edit: the risk may be theoretical, but we know all equipment can be bugged. Not a terrible decision to be bugged by a close ally.
Canada is happy to share data with USA and vice-versa. Perhaps gov should fear USA more, but currently they don't.
Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks
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People complain about the lack of cell phone providers here in the US, but damn! Canada is way worse. The cost of phone plans is outrageous and the major telecoms do everything in their power to stop new entrants from messing up their gravy train.
Is it really though? I mean, it used to be. Rogers wants $75/mth (CAD - $55 USD) for 10GB data and unlimited talk and text. Let's compare to the US: - AT&T wants 65++ USD ($87 CAD) for a comparable plan. - Verizon wants 70++ USD ($94 CAD) for a comparable plan. - TMo wants 70 (all in) USD ($94 CAD) for a comparable plan. And each network in Canada is dramatically better than AT&T and TMo, and roughly comparable to Ve…
Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks
#68Bell is already using Huawei components in other parts of their network. When I opened my Bell fiber modem last year, I noticed Bell was using a 1.25 Gbit Huawei SFP+ transceiver. Is there any possibility of a backdoor?
So if Huawei managed to backdoor that transceiver, what could they accomplish with it? Chain it to exploit some vulnerability in the router the component is plugged into. Include a bunch of extra hardware and a capacitor, to allow it to surge the port on command to try and burn out your router? Try and sniff intelligence on that 1.25gbps connection, using some tiny low power embedded processor?
If your worth investing in an attack against, their are probably far cheaper ways to attack you specifically, instead of backdooring every transceiver and hoping you end up getting one.
Now, if you're the government your threat model might look a bit different, although, a transceiver is still a hard component to do something useful with a backdoor.
Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
People complain about the lack of cell phone providers here in the US, but damn! Canada is way worse. The cost of phone plans is outrageous and the major telecoms do everything in their power to stop new entrants from messing up their gravy train.
Is it really though? I mean, it used to be. Rogers wants $75/mth (CAD - $55 USD) for 10GB data and unlimited talk and text. Let's compare to the US: - AT&T wants 65++ USD ($87 CAD) for a comparable plan. - Verizon wants 70++ USD ($94 CAD) for a comparable plan. - TMo wants 70 (all in) USD ($94 CAD) for a comparable plan. And each network in Canada is dramatically better than AT&T and TMo, and roughly comparable to Ve…
https://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phone-plans/magenta
Unlimited everything... Even 5 gig of data when in Canada.
I don't think Rogers, Telus or Bell have anything close to that.
Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks
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Lined coats? More info about this, please? Sounds funny.
These people see 5G as this set of radioactive beams which is between the tower and the phone. Radiation causes cancer and vomiting as far as their information (HBO’s Chernobyl) is concerned. They see the solution in the clothing of the liquidators from that rooftop scene, i.e. those thick black gowns of lead lining. They want coats instead though as the gowns look too poor for them. They are looking to purchase such…