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Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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has anyone had to hear their crazy relatives go on about the dangers of 5G? Is there some penultimate youtube video or resource to point people to to assuage their fears?

You probably shouldn't call people "crazy" if you hope to ever bring them around to your viewpoint.

Does anyone hope that at this point?

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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> but I do think there's a strong argument for trying to build and maintaining one's own infrastructure whenever possible, even if it's a bit more expensive. In the semiconductor/telecom equipment industry with very specialized and globalized supply chain, it's impractical if not impossible. No single country can have their entire electronic infrastructure within their own country borders, not China, not U.S., not ev…

And that’s precisely where tariffs should come in.

I wonder what it would have taken to keep Nortel going?

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Just goes to show that Canadian telecom policy is controlled by telecoms, not by the government. It's very cozy and regularly functions to discourage competition. Canadian telecom policy still revolves around "facilities-based competition", where it's believed that new entrants should build out a new network. It's designed to fail. Even the incumbents, Bell and Telus, share a 3G/4G mobile network to avoid redundant i…

I agree with all your points, but does this go to show that? I'm not aware of what was going on behind the scenes. It could easily have been that the Canadian government told the telecoms a long time ago that they wouldn't be allowed to use Huawei, but kept this secret for the sake of contract negotiations. Do you know this not to be the case?

> It could easily have been that the Canadian government told the telecoms a long time ago that they wouldn't be allowed to use Huawei, but kept this secret for the sake of contract negotiations.

I figure the government ran its Huawei-ban proposal by the telcos and they balked and said: "don't regulate it, we'll just not choose them". It's a direct access to government influence that the public could only dream of. Meanwhile, the public gets told "well, if you don't like being ignored when new laws are created/passed, vote for someone else in [0-4] years".

Basically, just pissed that CDN telecoms get to craft the law (or lack thereof) in their favour.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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My mobile carrier in Australia (Vodafone) was 100% Huawei for 4G and, similarly, has had to pivot away for 5G at great expense (it seems that the Huawei 5G was a cheaper upgrade to the existing kit they had). It has delayed them doing 5G for at least a year trying to make both the tech and commercials work to pivot. https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/vodafone-signs-nok...

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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For a long period of time, these companies would not publicly commit to going ahead without Huawei for 5G, and despite pressure from the US (and warnings from CSIS), the Canadian government still has not made an announcement about whether Huawei would be restricted as a supplier. Many Canadians were frustrated by this, feeling like they didn't want Huawei networks but that they weren't being heard. It occurs to me no…

Just goes to show that Canadian telecom policy is controlled by telecoms, not by the government. It's very cozy and regularly functions to discourage competition. Canadian telecom policy still revolves around "facilities-based competition", where it's believed that new entrants should build out a new network. It's designed to fail. Even the incumbents, Bell and Telus, share a 3G/4G mobile network to avoid redundant i…

> Just goes to show that Canadian telecom policy is controlled by telecoms, not by the government

I worked for a (very) large Canadian telcom for 4 years.

What you said is absolutely 100% correct.

In my region my employer was forced to allow competition in the internet space, and they submitted rates to the CRTC that were astronomical. The CRTC replied and said they would force them to lower the rates, so my employer said they would stop building out their fibre network expansion.

The CRTC caved, the telco got it's way, and to this day the ISP with the largest operating area of any on the planet has zero competition.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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For a long period of time, these companies would not publicly commit to going ahead without Huawei for 5G, and despite pressure from the US (and warnings from CSIS), the Canadian government still has not made an announcement about whether Huawei would be restricted as a supplier. Many Canadians were frustrated by this, feeling like they didn't want Huawei networks but that they weren't being heard. It occurs to me no…

Just goes to show that Canadian telecom policy is controlled by telecoms, not by the government. It's very cozy and regularly functions to discourage competition. Canadian telecom policy still revolves around "facilities-based competition", where it's believed that new entrants should build out a new network. It's designed to fail. Even the incumbents, Bell and Telus, share a 3G/4G mobile network to avoid redundant i…

People complain about the lack of cell phone providers here in the US, but damn! Canada is way worse. The cost of phone plans is outrageous and the major telecoms do everything in their power to stop new entrants from messing up their gravy train.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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I would love to know whether the fundamental objection over security vulnerabilities in the hardware and software of Huawei is resolved with this decision.

Or if Nokia and Ericsson are just as susceptible and it was just political posturing.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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A friend has some great stories of some relatives purchasing these lined coats for when it is rolled out.

Lined coats? More info about this, please? Sounds funny.

These people see 5G as this set of radioactive beams which is between the tower and the phone. Radiation causes cancer and vomiting as far as their information (HBO’s Chernobyl) is concerned.

They see the solution in the clothing of the liquidators from that rooftop scene, i.e. those thick black gowns of lead lining. They want coats instead though as the gowns look too poor for them.

They are looking to purchase such a thing for themselves to walk around in. I take it they missed the part about it being 70 lbs.

Re: Bell, Telus to use Nokia and Ericsson, not Huawei, in building their 5G networks

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Huge relief to the government, who can now "approve" Huawei, and can go to the Chinese government and say, "see look we play fair in Canada", and still be sure that this will mean nothing and that no Huawei equipment will be used. Wouldn't be surprised if the government asked the establishment telcos to do this favour for them. Huawei and the notion of them building Canadian 5G polls insanely badly in Canada and the…

The relationship between Canada and China isn't exactly cuddly warm right now, what with Meng Wanzhou detained in Vancouver at the request of the Americans, and China's execution of a few unrelated Canadians in retribution [1].

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-30/china-sen...

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