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Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
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#612Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…
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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#613Earlier quoted context omitted.
To me, it was pretty clear that the police in Santa Monica and Long Beach allowed the looting to occur while treating the protesters like criminals from the outset. This isn't to say that other local precincts weren't significantly better in their treatment of protesters, but there's clear evidence that many police departments are either corrupt or completely inept in addressing violent crime. This has been a long ti…
This was also the case at Fairfax and 3rd in Los Angeles. Violence erupted only when the police arrived, not before. They escalated the moment they arrived.
This does not align with my experience. I off 3rd street, right by the La Cienega where significant looting occured. I intentionally walked outside while looting/vandalism was occurring and there was absolutely no police presence whatsoever except for police helicopters.
I walked down third street until I reached the point where the riot police set up a barricade and didn't allow the protesters further. It was really a peaceful scene where the police were setup, and I thought it was being handled very professionally with the goal to not incite violence (There were also 6 police helicopters circling the area) Everywhere the police were not there was looting.
The amount of misinformation being circulated is staggering.
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#614Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…
It’s the same here in Seattle as it was while I was in Berkeley during Ferguson. People protest peacefully, and police shoot tear gas into the crowd and attack whomever they can get their hands on. I’ll admit, the outright brutality I saw in-person in Oakland was worse than what I’ve seen here in the recent days. In Oakland, the police would purposely corral protestors into groups and literally beat the shit out of t…
"people of color can’t protest without the president calling for them to be roughed up"
Did Trump call for them to be "roughed up" before or after the protests turned into riots?
A more intellectual honest version might be:
"people can’t riot without Trump calling for them to be aggressively policed"
The splintering of reality is the scariest thing going on in the U.S. Some of us are still trying to stay grounded in facts while others float away on clouds of propaganda.
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#615Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It may be because they have to deal with a population with 3 guns per capita where did you find this figure? this is off by more than a factor of two from any source I can find.
Sorry, I took the total gun count(~400M) and didn't state that I did some math based on how many adults there are in the US since children and the extremely elderly tend to own far fewer guns than run of the mill adults. The result is still more or less the same if there is 1.1 guns per capita.
per capita in run of the mill statistics is just a raw division of things over population (people or other organism in question). per capita income isn't dividing total income over "employed earners" for example.
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#616Earlier quoted context omitted.
You understand why the protests started though, right? It's not like the protesters can say "ok, if we stop protesting now, will you please consider following the law?" How to you expect protesters to deescalate this with absolutely nothing changing and high level LE people still not accepting any blame and pushing for military help?
You understand why US cops are so heavy handed though, right? It may be because they have to deal with a population with 3 guns per capita, where the amount of police killed per year on duty(even disregarding accidents) is more akin to a third world country than anything going on in the EU. > and high level LE people still not accepting any blame I don't know how you get that from OP saying that both sides need to de…
>where the amount of police killed per year on duty(even disregarding accidents) is more akin to a third world country
Police mortality isn't any more exceptionally high in a "third world country" than anywhere else. Your view that bad things = third world country, is simplistic. Your attitude is typical of a certain mindset. It's also boring because now I can tell a lot about you and could guess 100% correctly about any of you derivative political viewpoints.
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#617Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…
I tend to think that 100 cops against thousands of people will agitate for a reason. The reason is this - somewhere in that group of thousands is a punk that is going to try to hurt them. If they make the first move when there is a tension build up, they are forcing everyone else to be reactionary. At that point the people that are peaceful protesting will generally leave or move away. The ones interested in rioting will stay. Psychologically, they can read the difference and address the rioters more effectively by reacting preemptively.
I get that everyone wants the cops to be kinder and gentler and maybe there will be that day, but there's also the other side of things. I've seen videos some cops in the UK that are so useless and passive that criminals can basically do whatever they want all the damn day long. No offense to the UK, the US also has the stereotypical donut eating cop.
At some point you're going to have to decide what kind of society you want. If you want a society where cops don't make deadly mistakes, it would be a hell of a lot easier if we got a little privacy invasive and profiled people as risks early on and dealt with them then.
If you don't deal with violent thugs preemptively, your cops for better or worse are going to be a little twitchy on the trigger finger. I can guarantee you that 98% of cops out there would gladly trade out the violence if they could without sacrificing the paycheck.
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#618Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…
I‘m not sure this will help:
https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/126675152005...
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#619Earlier quoted context omitted.
The looters take advantage of the chaos. The chaos seems willingly and knowingly caused by the police. I would at this point consider the police atleast somewhat responsible for the conditions that lead to the looting.
> willingly and knowingly caused by the police Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Are you living under a rock? Reddit has a compilation thread of dozens of examples of police escalating situations, attacking press, pushing old men with canes to the ground, shooting residents ON THEIR doorstep, randomly grabbing civilians and assaulting them. The list doesn't seem to stop.
Since 2001, police have taken more American lives than all other terrorist activities combined.
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#620Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ending cash bail policies wouldn't directly address police violence, but it could reduce the incarceration rate. There are many people in jail waiting trial for crimes they did not commit, simply because they could not afford bail and would not take a plea deal. Ending the use of private prisons and restricting police use of military equipment and weapons are also frequently suggested proposals. In terms of police vi…
Thanks! Ending cash bail is a good one. I'm not so well versed on private prisons, but I think I'm general the scale of incarceration is a larger issue than the quality of it. Still a good suggestion for discussion. We have 10x more incarcerated per capital than germany. If the police think 1 in 100 (rounding a bit) belong in jail, it leads to a very different quality of interaction if it is 1 in 1,000. Definitely ag…
I think another simple one is simply that police officers cannot be formally afforded any due process differences than other citizens of their jurisdiction.