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Re: Dust in the Light

#121
You lunatics actually think you're going to get MORE INTEGRATION, after all of this? Good luck with that.

And if you really believed whites were evil and oppressive towards blacks and were responsible for all of blacks' dysfunction, you would be the staunchest supporters of segregation. That you unwaveringly oppose it proves you don't believe your own BS narrative.

Re: Dust in the Light

#122

You lunatics actually think you're going to get MORE INTEGRATION, after all of this? Good luck with that. And if you really believed whites were evil and oppressive towards blacks and were responsible for all of blacks' dysfunction, you would be the staunchest supporters of segregation. That you unwaveringly oppose it proves you don't believe your own BS narrative.

Of course all of the problems in the black community stem from whites. If whites hadn’t been too lazy to pick their own cotton there wouldn’t be a black underclass in America, just the educated African immigrants like every other immigrant group. Whites don’t get to drag a whole population here against their will and then just say “figure your own shit out.”

Re: Dust in the Light

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post #122

You lunatics actually think you're going to get MORE INTEGRATION, after all of this? Good luck with that. And if you really believed whites were evil and oppressive towards blacks and were responsible for all of blacks' dysfunction, you would be the staunchest supporters of segregation. That you unwaveringly oppose it proves you don't believe your own BS narrative.

Of course all of the problems in the black community stem from whites. If whites hadn’t been too lazy to pick their own cotton there wouldn’t be a black underclass in America, just the educated African immigrants like every other immigrant group. Whites don’t get to drag a whole population here against their will and then just say “figure your own shit out.”

> Whites don’t get to drag a whole population here against their will and then just say “figure your own shit out.”

Whites (and Hispanics, Asians, and other non-blacks) have every right to peacefully separate themselves from this population.

Re: Dust in the Light

#124
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Wait, I'm not sure why you are taking a combative tone, as I'm pretty sure we agree -- and if we don't, I'd like to see where. Perhaps I was unclear. First: injustice absolutely matters in all cases, not just when it's visible to white people. But, injustice towards minority groups has, for most of American history, been invisible to and/or ignored by majority groups (obviously not to the minority groups experiencing…

yes, sorry if what i said seemed combative, but i wanted to be very clear and direct about the mechanism of change being the protesters and not the (particularly white) onlookers who support the protesters. that's not to disdain the support (yes to support!) or the changing of sympathies with (social) media (yes to sympathies!), but the effects of those are relatively marginal to change. my secondary point is that it…

Thanks, this was helpful.

I think I worry that, short of revolution, change happens because people in power acquiesce to it. :/ (Again, obviously, this is bad, and I wish it were not this way, and I don’t condone or want to justify this. I just worry that it’s what history suggests.)

If that’s true — and again, I hope it’s not, and it sucks if it is — then the effects of supporters and sympathies are not actually marginal to change, and the ability for those without power to attract the sympathies and support of those with it is both a Big Deal, and new — media has long been closely gatekept by power.

But I’m not a particularly strong student of history, and I’d love to be wrong here.

To your secondary point: I wholeheartedly agree, it should be enough.

Re: Dust in the Light

#125

Ben’s writing on this is so powerful. It should be at the top of HN with a million points. I’m glad to be a supporter of his. As a subscriber I got to hear him read this and it was moving.

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Re: Dust in the Light

#126
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By posting that, you make it more so, and actually it is far from true. We should do things to help develop the discourse here, not kick it. The container is fragile. I believe that when the community gets this sort of inaccurate reflection of itself, it encourages a "why bother" sentiment and, downstream from that, a "fuck you" sentiment, since if no one is communicating anyhow, what else does it make sense to say?…

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Re: Dust in the Light

#127
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I love Ben Thompson's writing and I like how he accurately connects the history of institutional racism to the events of today. I have seen a few articles of this kind, and it seems like in today's America vast majority of people (except a few Trump holdouts) have acknowledged that the historical arc of slavery to segregation to white flight to real estate discrimination has led to where we are. However, what I don't…

Where do the trillions come from?

Re: Dust in the Light

#128
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Sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory to me

Google "Black Wall street massacre." There are plenty of articles. We probably don't hear more about it because it makes white people uncomfortable.

Sorry for not knowing about local history from 100 years ago from a far away nation. The main reason we don't hear about this more is probably because neither offenders nor victims, both black and white, are alive anymore.

Re: Dust in the Light

#129

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Google "Black Wall street massacre." There are plenty of articles. We probably don't hear more about it because it makes white people uncomfortable.

Sorry for not knowing about local history from 100 years ago from a far away nation. The main reason we don't hear about this more is probably because neither offenders nor victims, both black and white, are alive anymore.

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Re: Dust in the Light

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The lenders for white neighborhoods formed explicit covenants to keep blacks out. White people chose to live in those neighborhoods and voted for lawmakers who supported redlining and other segregationist measures. They didn’t speak up for their black neighbors with less opportunity. For decades they have been silent and complicit as they live in their white neighborhoods and build generational wealth that has been d…

Sounds racist to say that black communities need access to white communities in order to create positive outcomes. Why can't the black communities stand on their own?

Go back to the 50s and 60s and take a look at where and how the cities carved out spaces for the Interstate Freeways.

A century early, the space for NYC's Central Park was 'acquired' by forcing out 1600 residents of Seneca Village.

At about the same time Indians were being forced onto reservations. Why couldn't the Indian communities stand on their own?

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