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Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by hnick »

bananaphone234 wrote: post #333
jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

From what I've seen is everything is peaceful during the day time, but after the curfews or when it becomes an unlawful gathering (i.e. blocking interstates etc.) is when police intervene. Which is what they job is supposed to be. The methods used for crowd control are acceptable when things reach the above mentioned criteria. Protests during daylight hours, and not breaking other laws is fully protected by 1st amend…

There's still no need to aim for close range headshots like this and many other incidents https://i.imgur.com/medV8y6.gifv

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Post by salawat »

klyrs wrote: post #536
untog wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In all seriousness, what is incorrect about that statement? Take a look at all the video taken since Saturday, then compare it to, say, the protests against lockdowns just a few weeks ago. Surely you see the very notable difference?

> Surely you see the very notable difference? Is it the open carry of long guns? Is that what peaceful protesters should use to de-escalate the situation? Makes perfect sense. Cops love guns! Just some cool doodz having a chill gun party, come have a beer and a doobie, officer. Show you mine if you'll show me yours?

Actually, it absolutely is the best deterrence.

Numerical advantage of firearms means the first person to shoot downright loses. Both sides will do everything they can to not be the aggressor.

When you have disparity in ability to apply force vs ability to weather the response, that's when the violence actually happens. Nobody comes looking for a fair fight. Therefore you never find them when the stakes areas high as they are.

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Post by 3131s »

dionidium wrote: post #573
theplague42 wrote: post #154

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That's because their support was always fake. It's about non-existent "censorship" of conservatives, nothing more.

This is, of course, ridiculous. There are serious people who genuinely care about that issue. More generally, there is always nearby the temptation to definitionally exclude one's political opponents from serious discussion by the lazy insinuation that they don't really believe what they say they believe, that their side is more opportunistic and cynical than yours, and that, therefore, what work even needs to be don…

Sure, don't assume malice with regular people, but US politicians are completely disingenuous and they know exactly what they're doing. It is rare for them to "really believe what they say they believe", because saying anything true at all pretty quickly starts to reveal their financial interests.

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Post by acdha »

salawat wrote: post #592
klyrs wrote: post #536

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Surely you see the very notable difference? Is it the open carry of long guns? Is that what peaceful protesters should use to de-escalate the situation? Makes perfect sense. Cops love guns! Just some cool doodz having a chill gun party, come have a beer and a doobie, officer. Show you mine if you'll show me yours?

Actually, it absolutely is the best deterrence. Numerical advantage of firearms means the first person to shoot downright loses. Both sides will do everything they can to not be the aggressor. When you have disparity in ability to apply force vs ability to weather the response, that's when the violence actually happens. Nobody comes looking for a fair fight. Therefore you never find them when the stakes areas high as…

That sounds better on a bumper sticker than when you think about it even slightly longer. The police have tons of guns, armored vehicles, and the backing of the largest military in the world. If you threaten them, do you really think they’re going to back down instead of getting bigger guns?

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Post by handoflixue »

abolishme wrote: post #50

Important to note: I have seen not one example of a non-press person claiming to be press and I've been watching all the livestreams constantly.

In at least some states, "internet blogger" qualifies you as a journalist. So, y'know, if you've got a twitter account and you're talking about the protest, congrats: you're press!

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Post by bayonetz »

jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

The police are being told by the governors who are being told by the POTUS that the protestors must “dominated”. I’m not editorializing or interpreting here. Listen to Trump himself say it over and over again in the course of this phone call:

https://soundcloud.com/the-daily-beast-politics/trump-audio

I can’t stress how useful it is to hear this context first hand yourself.

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Post by inetknght »

davidw wrote: post #453
inetknght wrote: post #434

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In many cases I don't think it's being used casually.

I'm old enough to have seen it plenty in the past.

Can you describe how fascism has worked in the past? Can you imagine how it might be applied today with modern technology, laws, and court precedents?

This isn't fascism of the past.

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Post by exclusiv »

bigfudge wrote: post #325
runawaybottle wrote: post #199

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That’s exactly what I’m appealing to. Khashoggi got murdered brazenly, and nothing could be done about it. Hong Kong protestors get detained indefinitely, and nothing can be done about it. The American imperative is that we must do something about it. Our failure is that we have a threshold that needs to be met, but we do have a threshold. In most of the world there is no threshold. You can do anything, indefinitely,…

I think you underestimate how far down the road towards totalitarianism you have travelled in the last 20-30 years. There's nothing I can see that suggests you have a threshold which will spur change. Your voting systems are being more actively rigged than ever before to ensure the people most angry about police brutality will be most likely to be disenfranchised in November.

> Your voting systems are being more actively rigged than ever before

This is simply not true. The only things that are rigged are the two party system that spit out bad candidates (seemingly more often than before), has mechanisms to suppress other parties, and no term limit career politicians that are bought out by special interests. But the voting system itself is not the problem.

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Post by fooster »

leetcrew wrote: post #546
iso947 wrote: post #465

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That’s what they told those sneaky terrorists that disguised themselves and snuck onto private property to destroy tea in Boston harbour.

I've seen the boston tea party brought up several times over the last couple days, and it strikes me as an odd comparison. unlike the rioting/looting that sometimes accompanies protests, the boston tea party was a specifically targeted act of resistance. the colonists resented british taxes in general, and were particularly enraged by the EIC's exemption from the tea tax (which allowed them to undercut other tea merc…

Learn your history better. http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/33-tempest-in-a-teacu...

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Post by mchusma »

elihu wrote: post #568
mchusma wrote: post #520

I have been trying to think of good, relatively simple policy decisions that can make a large impact. I have not heard too many proposed besides removing qualified immunity. I would be curious what ideas people have: Ideas include: -Banning police unions -Having a federal agency to discipline police (outside the purview of local politics) I haven't heard this idea elsewhere but I like the idea of us addressing from t…

Ending cash bail policies wouldn't directly address police violence, but it could reduce the incarceration rate. There are many people in jail waiting trial for crimes they did not commit, simply because they could not afford bail and would not take a plea deal. Ending the use of private prisons and restricting police use of military equipment and weapons are also frequently suggested proposals. In terms of police vi…

Thanks! Ending cash bail is a good one. I'm not so well versed on private prisons, but I think I'm general the scale of incarceration is a larger issue than the quality of it. Still a good suggestion for discussion.

We have 10x more incarcerated per capital than germany. If the police think 1 in 100 (rounding a bit) belong in jail, it leads to a very different quality of interaction if it is 1 in 1,000.

Definitely agree on the issues with accountability.

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