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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by grandmczeb » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 10:59 PM UTC

MDWolinski wrote: post #447

adjkant wrote: post #381

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Protests have been regularly shown to let emergency vehicles through, I saw videos of this yesterday.

Except for the "Open States Up" protests that occurred that had hospital personal begging the protestors to let the emergency vehicles through. But that's a different type of crowd.

This is a commonly repeated rumor about the Michigan lockdown protests, but its absolutely not true[1].

"Despite some "confusion," Lansing police had no complaints about any ambulance being locked in traffic during an emergency, said Robert Merritt, a spokesman for the Lansing Police Department. When ambulances on non-emergency runs were in traffic, "rally participants slowly cleared a path," he said."

[1] https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/0...

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by iso947 » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 10:59 PM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #348

wetmore wrote: post #324

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Why don't you ask the same thing of the person who made the original claim?

That's fair. Still, "nuh uh" is not an effective rebuttal. Asking for evidence is better than "you're wrong" or "you're a liar". "Here's evidence that you're wrong" is even stronger.

It takes 10 seconds for someone to create a lie, it takes 10 minutes to rebut it.

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Post by mindslight » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 10:59 PM UTC

grecy wrote: post #202

jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

I've seen quite a few videos and read a lot of articles about what's going on, and from my perspective Law Enforcement are scared Sh&^less they will lose control and get completely over-run by the protesters. Realizing how angry the people are and how massively outnumbered they are they've decided to come out hard with violence in an attempt to squash the protests, which makes sense. I don't think it would take much…

Overcome the police to what end, though?

All most of the protestors want to do is protest, ie partake in some of their 1st amendment rights. So the protestors "overrun" the police and then what? Continue to stand in the street chanting?

This feels like straight projection, and focusing on the few people taking advantage of the situation by looting etc. The police could solve that in a heartbeat by deploying small units into the protest crowds and working with the peaceful protestors, but first they'd have to give up on the goal of disrupting legitimate protests.

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Post by yters » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 11:00 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #254

yters wrote: post #242

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i see, so this topic is considered 'intellectually curious' while anti-ccp is 'loyalty to a cause' i am not really sure how you make that determination, i personally find accounts of what the ccp does to exploit its citizens intellectually interesting when it is not widely reported so, given you exponential drop off comment, i assume that means a small number of highly voted protest posts are allowed, and then past t…

The issue isn't the topic itself but the amount of repetition around it. Curiosity withers under repetition. You would see exactly the same pattern if the current topic ended up getting repeated a lot: the users who felt most strongly about it ('loyalty to a cause') would want every single article to be on the front page, and would feel like the mods and/or community must be pro-police-brutality if that didn't happen…

Yes, #3 is the key point, that there are exceptions to the flamewar constraint if there is some new, interesting information for a current major topic..

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Post by iso947 » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 11:01 PM UTC

chasd00 wrote: post #315

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #263

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so what? rioting is still against the law. Destroying businesses and property of fellow citizens to get your point across will always fall on deaf ears. The only possible way to achieve your goals by rioting is completely terrorizing everyone into submission. Good luck with that.

That’s what they told those sneaky terrorists that disguised themselves and snuck onto private property to destroy tea in Boston harbour.

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Post by iso947 » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 11:02 PM UTC

rpiguy wrote: post #398

chillwaves wrote: post #391

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This is such utter fucking bullshit. You can watch hundreds of videos of peaceful protesters being attacked by police. They are not looting. What you are saying is an outright lie. Conservatives are just practicing the same racist tribalism t hey always have. There is no structural logic to how they behave except "us vs them" and right now the police are hurting the right people. It is not and has never been about pr…

There are videos of people carrying property out of shops en masse. You are delusional. An officer was shot in the back of the head, a black pawn shop owner was killed by looters. The only people practicing tribalism are on the left who encourage everyone to identify with their own tribe (black, gay, etc.) instead of identifying with each other. You are ridiculous.

A black shop owner was arrested at gunpoint, live on Fox News for asking for help because of some looters, but again some people don’t see the problem.

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Post by margalabargala » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 11:02 PM UTC

koheripbal wrote: post #237

brenden2 wrote: post #99

For anyone who wants to keep an eye on what's going on, the subreddit /r/PublicFreakout is full of videos of police (and rioters) engaging in violence. I haven't found a better source yet. There's sometimes misattributed content, so be sure to wade carefully. Many of these cases have multiple videos from different people from different angles as well. The evidence is quite damning.

That sub is great because you really get a good sampling of what's going on. There are peaceful/permitted protests that the police leave alone and occasionally support/join. There are peaceful/not-permitted protests that the police disperse with various uses of non-lethal force. There are Rioters that vandalize and try to blend with protesters but seldom directly confront the police - occasionally confronted by prote…

Could you clarify your use of "permitted" here? In the sense of "allowed", it seems redundant, since you go on to say that they were or were not forcibly dispersed.

The other option, more literal, is "they got a permit to do this protest", but there have certainly been plenty of peaceful grassroots protests that got no sort of official go-ahead and yet were executed perfectly fine on both sides.

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Post by asveikau » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 11:03 PM UTC

kortilla wrote: post #360

bradly wrote: post #317

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In a small suburb of San Diego the protest stopped traffic. Police forced the protesters off and then riots started and two banks were burnt down. Two weeks ago a San Diego police deputy was released from jail after serving only six months after sexually assaulting (why forced oral sex is not rape I’m not sure) 16 women that had called the police for help. He does not have to register as a sexual offender. Protesting…

Stopping traffic risks the lives of people in ambulances so it’s pretty hard to condone that. Make noise, block access to some businesses, etc, but don’t block streets and cause traffic jams that could kill people FFS.

Blocking traffic might reduce auto accidents, saving lives. How many of those ambulances are responding to auto accidents that could have been prevented?

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Post by beepboopbeep » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 11:03 PM UTC

jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

I'm seeing the same. Even when people are acting out, the police are supposed to be a professional, trained force that is capable of keeping them selves in control and knowing when to back-off and regroup when things aren't in their control.

All I see is crazed fighting from them. Wide eyed with fear, wild swinging, just indiscriminate violence. Is property damage bad? Sure. But good lord stolen Nikes are so inconsequential to what I'm seeing from the police right now.

I am not a bleeding heart liberal, nor am I some apparently crazed republican. I just don't like seeing my fellow Americans getting killed and beaten. The fact that they are totally immune from prosecution and oversight makes the power dynamic of it all that much more infuriating.

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Post by rabidrat » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 11:04 PM UTC

dlp211 wrote: post #295

Loughla wrote: post #131

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I honestly wish there was anyone in Washington who seemed willing or able to lead in a bipartisan manner. Someone who didn't rely on the partisan firestorm of the week to get support. It's all very disheartening, and hard to explain to my children.

What does "lead in a bipartisan manner" even mean? In what era of this country did anyone lead in a "bipartisan manner"?

Obama did a pretty damn good job.