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Re: Leave Facebook

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Post by covidien »

supernova87a wrote: post #17

I think Facebook is merely the conduit of human behavior that happens when lack of regulation / social norms or the incentives of profit create a new space much faster than we're used to before. So leaving Facebook and going to some other platform will not fundamentally solve the problem. As long as: 1) people want to socialize freely (as well as privately) with each other in an online rapid medium, 2) the online for…

>Facebook is merely the conduit of human behavior that happens when lack of regulation / social norms

some time ago I would have agreed on some level but there is too much manual and/or algorithmic manipulation to encourage "retention", "stickiness", "addictiveness" (whatever the current marketing-speak du jour for dependence is) to be a true reflection of behavior.

thats the irony of the current state of social networks - its not just merely allowing conversation/connection; its about encouraging rage, confrontation, polarity. in the pursuit of metrics, ergo dollars.

and even worse, we then look at the distorted reflection we see in the digital mirror and our view of society/discourse is negatively reinforced. what a loop.

Re: Leave Facebook

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Post by komali2 »

mercacona wrote: post #42
HenryBemis wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget WhatsApp. Many people I talk to don't realize it's also part of the FB ecosystem.

Leaving WhatsApp is not as easy, in many countries you need it to do things like buying to local producers or communicating with a client. The network effect is more unavoidable than in other FB products.

It's also worth mentioning that the whatsapp team still is filled with dedicated anti-surveillance types, leftovers from the original company (note that the founder publicly came out against facebook after the sale). I don't know how much longer that'll be the case, now that they're all vesting, but they're in there.

Re: Leave Facebook

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Post by satyrnein »

kgraves wrote: post #29

Please Please Please offer some GOOD alternatives to Facebook. Now is the time to come together and replace Facebook with a free decentralised alternative. If you want to switch away from other surveillance capitalist software like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram or WhatsApp here's a list [0] [0] https://switching.software/

Decentralization is usually pitched as a solution to "censorship". In this case, the complaint seems to be the reverse, that there was insufficient intervention against misinformation. So I'm not sure how decentralization applies here.

Re: Leave Facebook

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Post by sakisv »

vzidex wrote: post #7

A baby step you can take if you want to leave Facebook is to disable (I forget if that's the exact term, it might be deactivate) your account. This removes your access to the site, and hides your profile - while leaving the Messenger half of your account untouched: messages, contacts, etc. I've done it before for mental health reasons, and found it really refreshing.

I got rid of the app and I'm only browsing the mobile site in a incognito window, so I have to login every time. This added enough friction to stop the completely mindless browsing and scrolling plus it gave me back some of my battery life.

The next step for me is to remove Facebook from my password manager. Having to type a 20+ character password on a phone is definitely going to add significant friction.

Re: Leave Facebook

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Post by ss7pro »

Hmm you control your network on both FB and TW. People forget that is is then ck trailing this network. Why do you need someone else controlling your network? If you don't like someone you simply unfollow him. Doing twitter style fact checking or blocking content is censorship is this should be the reason to stop using platform not opposite allowing everyone for a free speech.

Re: Leave Facebook

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Post by nico_h »

donkey-hotei wrote: post #24

On one level, Trump's statements about mail-in voting are just flatly untrue, pure propaganda, and completely irresponsible. But isn't it weird as well how much people are willing to let these massive tech companies essentially become fact-checkers for the content posted on it? I that that's also frightening to think about.

Shouldn't the guy have been banned from the service for violating the terms of service a long time ago? If you or me had said similar things we would have been deplatformed a while back. I think this is just a half assed way of making amends for allowing so much prominent lies on the network.

Plus it's their network, they likely have TOS allowing them to do anything on it. Probaly except altering the posts (... but they replace links with their shortener i think).

Re: Leave Facebook

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Post by komali2 »

Why leave? There's tons of options that "serve the cause" better imo, all while getting paid to boot:

You could become a "stuck cog," deliberately working shittily to slow down development. You could cause a disaster hid behind plausible deniability - fuck up a deploy, accidentally forward an email, that kind of thing. You just gotta try to avoid committing a crime.

Or you could bombard senior management with emails demanding they take action until they just fire you.

You could spend all day improving your vimgolf skills.

Re: Leave Facebook

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Post by jay_kyburz »

bedhead wrote: post #32

The hyperbole of this is almost incomprehensible. The absurdity of this latest "controversy" - Zuck not wrapping some form of token and meaningless censorship around a single Trump tweet - is proof that this isn't about Trump. Hell, all this did was give Trump more exposure. No, it's clear that this is about breaking Zuck for political purposes, and taking control of Facebook for a single "side." Not one person genui…

Yes, human nature is the problem, and I think its why we developed a set of laws and values that allow us to live peacefully with each other.

We need to extend these laws and values to Facebook and other social media.

People should be held accountable for things they post publicly on the internet. Public posts should not be anonymous. If damage is caused as a result of your misleading communications, you should be held responsible for that damage.

Yes it would destroy social media (and reshape the entire internet as we know it), but the world is burning and its because nobody knows what to believe.

Re: Leave Facebook

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Post by sgolecha »

I am not on FB and I tried to get out of WhatsApp too. I deleted WhatsApp and implored all my friends to move to Signal. But out of the 100 or so people I reached, only 2 moved to Signal. My extended family is in India and WhatsApp is very entrenched there. The other issue is that people in India do not realize that the attention issue these apps create is a long term problem - at least not yet.

Re: Leave Facebook

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Post by jackcosgrove »

I remember the leave Facebook campaign after they released their mobile app and showed a pop-up on the mobile site offering the mobile app.

I did in fact leave over that. It was a simpler time.

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