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Mosquitoes kill more than 700k people every year (2017)

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Re: Mosquitoes kill more than 700k people every year (2017)

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Post by jjnoakes »

IgorPartola wrote: post #393
jjnoakes wrote: post #332

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That only makes sense if a woman gets screened monthly, which they don't.

Think about it this way: you run a clinic that detects 100 cases of early stage breast cancer a month. So you detect a total of 1200 per year, right? Now imagine you close for three months. What happens? Well, 300 of these cases do not get detected during that period. Could they get detected later after you reopen? Sure but by its nature it means that they may not be early stage anymore. Also, some percentage of the…

No argument here, but you've changed from "percent women who develop early stage breast cancer per month * number of months closed per year" (which I responded to) to "percent early stage breast cancer cases caught per month * number of months closed per year", which sounds more accurate.

Re: Mosquitoes kill more than 700k people every year (2017)

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Post by petters »

ahelwer wrote: post #51
petters wrote: post #48

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The ecological systems would likely be fine; the mosquitoes responsible for diseases are a minority. But that is beside the point and does not matter. What matters are 700,000 human lives annually. It's tragic really. If we had these diseases in Europe or North America, we would have already done this.

Maybe you didn't click the link, so I guess I'll ask you: how many humans would die if we did exterminate the mosquitoes? More or less than 700,000? Do you know? You have no way of knowing how ecological systems would react.

I think disease-carrying species live together with non-disease-carrying species, which, if correct, would mean an ecological impact of effectively zero.

We humans have a long, long "tradition" of exterminating species and we know it will not affect things that really matter to us, like agriculture and water. The number of human deaths will be effectively zero.

Re: Mosquitoes kill more than 700k people every year (2017)

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Post by HappyDreamer »

dekervin wrote: post #363
HappyDreamer wrote: post #259

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1.5 Suicides 800 000 The traffic, and suicides, are the two main dangerous things for younger people in non-malaria and not-a-war zones. I was in an a little bit conflict zone recently, and people asked if I was worried and said I should be careful. They didn't know -- the local people living there -- that the traffic is 100 times more dangerous than the slightly ongoing conflict. They just look at the news and feel…

Reading you, I wonder what would be the collective psychological effect if the relative risks were correctly assessed in our day-to-day routine.

I think people would realize they're not that different from those other people in that other place -- they all share the same main problems.

And maybe people would realize they're being manipulated by media and the "presidents" who own the media -- those presidents tend to get more votes, the more afraid people are for each other.

> collective psychological effect

Maybe peace?

And fewer traffic accidents, more subways and trains. Better mental care

Re: Mosquitoes kill more than 700k people every year (2017)

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Post by seppin »

dota_fanatic wrote: post #398
seppin wrote: post #381

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> your only regret is not achieving your intent which was to kill the dog You cannot ever know what his intentions were, and to accuse him of that is pretty disgusting.

Except for when someone states their intent? > "My intent was to kill it at that point, but I was unsuccessful. That is my only regret in the situation."

Their intent was to stop a dog from killing another dog, you are discussing the method of doing so as if it was the only stated goal. "I just wanted to kill a pitbull doing nothing minding it's own business".

Why do you think such a terrible leap of logic would work here?

Re: Mosquitoes kill more than 700k people every year (2017)

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Post by seppin »

michaelmrose wrote: post #387
seppin wrote: post #380

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The numbers don't relate perfectly, but the point stands. By failing to address what i'm actually saying, it's your straw-man of "the math doesn't work" that is distracting the conversation. Bad pit owners exist. Pits have a dangerous combination of mentality and strength. You can use a gun as a can opener if you want to, that doesn't change the ability it has to remove a life.

Your logic is thus 1. 80% of fatal dog attacks are by pit bulls. This is complete nonsense from dogsbite.org actually nobody tracks this. This "statistic" is at best comprised by trying to compile news articles that notoriously misidentify any large breed mutt responsible for attacks as pit bulls. 2. If 80% of fatal are attacks are caused by pit bulls and negligent owners were the cause of attacks then 80% of owners…

1. The statistics are 80% pits and pit breed derivatives. You are welcome to argue against facts and statistics but I wont be joining you.

2. Shifting all the blame onto owners is ignoring the clear trend. If 100% of gun owners were safe and responsible, there would still be gun deaths because of the capacity of a gun to kill someone. Same with Pits.

3. I agree but that's your logic, not mine.

You are also shifting focus from Pits attacking other dogs (the point of this thread) to attacking people. Fine, they account for most dog attacks on other dogs and on people. You seem to have your own justifications for why that is, and why it's ok, but those only work on you. Because you want to believe your Pitbull is an angel from heaven and not a well trained, but inherently dangerous animal.

https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2020...

Entry after entry is pitbull.

"Pictured are the two most deadly dog breeds in America: pit bull terriers and rottweilers. Research from DogsBite.org shows that during the 14-year period from 2005 to 2018, canines killed 471 Americans. Pit bulls and rottweilers accounted for 76% (358) of these deaths."

Re: Mosquitoes kill more than 700k people every year (2017)

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Post by seppin »

whynaut wrote: post #390
seppin wrote: post #380

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The numbers don't relate perfectly, but the point stands. By failing to address what i'm actually saying, it's your straw-man of "the math doesn't work" that is distracting the conversation. Bad pit owners exist. Pits have a dangerous combination of mentality and strength. You can use a gun as a can opener if you want to, that doesn't change the ability it has to remove a life.

We know they exist. The point of the conversation is how prevalent they are (what you’re inflating), and how much of the behavior is attributable to the dog’s nature (in my opinion, near none; pit bulls are naturally sweet and playful).

Their "nature" is to hunt and kill things. They have the size and ferocity other breeds don't have. The fact that you have trained yours to pose for cute photos and play with your kids is the weird thing here.

Re: Mosquitoes kill more than 700k people every year (2017)

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Post by michaelmrose »

seppin wrote: post #405
michaelmrose wrote: post #387

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Your logic is thus 1. 80% of fatal dog attacks are by pit bulls. This is complete nonsense from dogsbite.org actually nobody tracks this. This "statistic" is at best comprised by trying to compile news articles that notoriously misidentify any large breed mutt responsible for attacks as pit bulls. 2. If 80% of fatal are attacks are caused by pit bulls and negligent owners were the cause of attacks then 80% of owners…

1. The statistics are 80% pits and pit breed derivatives. You are welcome to argue against facts and statistics but I wont be joining you. 2. Shifting all the blame onto owners is ignoring the clear trend. If 100% of gun owners were safe and responsible, there would still be gun deaths because of the capacity of a gun to kill someone. Same with Pits. 3. I agree but that's your logic, not mine. You are also shifting f…

Dogsbite is a worthless source. You yourself aren't being consistent in your arguments. First it was pit bulls were responsible for 80% of fatalities and now its pits and rottweilers are responsible for 76. Would you like to settle on "big dogs are the ones that normally manage to kill people" and include 2 or 3 more large breeds?

Looking at the link it relies on news paper stories to report that the death happened and then uses the reporters words to correctly identify the breed even though this may actually result in pit bulls being over counted and some fatalities being missed. In fact if you peruse the source its sufficient for an attack to be pit bull related for any given source to refer to the dogs as pit bulls. So if a dozen sources report on the matter and one misidentifies the culprit as a pit bull pit bull kill it is. As an example I found in the first dozen cases a "pit bull kill" wherein nobody saw the person get killed but a neighbor testified that there were problematic dogs in the neighborhood which the neighbor says are pit bulls. I found another which was a literal homicide in which the murderers dog attacked the victim while he was murdering them. It's hard to justify digging through 400 some cases when 1/6th of the first 12 are obviously complete nonsense and the rest are of unknown quality without extensive research not composed of finding newspaper articles and grepping for the word pit in any article about a particular incident.

The citations show the article title but not a url to the actual source making identifying just how bad the source in unnecessarily cumbersome but anyone that spends more than 5 minutes studying it ought to come to the conclusion that dogsbite.org is shockingly not even trying to do an unbiased analysis. It's a hit piece serving the interests of a lobbying group of dog haters who in many cases want to steal people's family pets and kill them to address a problem that kills about the same number of people annually as drowning in bath tubs.

Usually only having one biased source of truth is an indication that you are hanging out with the flat earth society. I invite you to join the rest of us on the round earth.

Re: Mosquitoes kill more than 700k people every year (2017)

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Post by michaelmrose »

seppin wrote: post #405
michaelmrose wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your logic is thus 1. 80% of fatal dog attacks are by pit bulls. This is complete nonsense from dogsbite.org actually nobody tracks this. This "statistic" is at best comprised by trying to compile news articles that notoriously misidentify any large breed mutt responsible for attacks as pit bulls. 2. If 80% of fatal are attacks are caused by pit bulls and negligent owners were the cause of attacks then 80% of owners…

1. The statistics are 80% pits and pit breed derivatives. You are welcome to argue against facts and statistics but I wont be joining you. 2. Shifting all the blame onto owners is ignoring the clear trend. If 100% of gun owners were safe and responsible, there would still be gun deaths because of the capacity of a gun to kill someone. Same with Pits. 3. I agree but that's your logic, not mine. You are also shifting f…

For your consideration Breed Specific Legislation doesn't work while strategies that focus on other factors does.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/10/25/bsl-and-dog-bites/

> Restricting breed ownership has not reduced the incidence of dog bites. A survey of reported dog bite rates in 36 Canadian municipalities found no difference between jurisdictions with BSL and those without. Likewise, a 2010 Toronto Humane Society survey found no change in dog bites in Ontario in the years before and after Ontario’s BSL.

> Calgary, however, saw a five-fold reduction over 20 years – from 10 bites per 10,000 people in 1986 to two in 2006. Rather than banning breeds, Calgary uses strong licensing and enforcement plus dog safety public education campaigns.

It would be great if you stopped promoting strategies that don't work and started promoting ones that do.

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Post by rainbowzootsuit »

dota_fanatic wrote: post #399
rainbowzootsuit wrote: post #368

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I did the wheelbarrowing thing from the start. That only took leverage off of the small dog to try to give the other people who enough time to try to dissuade the pit bull, but as I said, nothing distracted it from its purpose until I stabbed it. It was obvious when I was able to see the intestines of the small dog exposed that it was going to not last long and my resolve was to try to kill the aggressor if one was g…

We seem to be talking past each other as at this point I suspect we're in agreement. My initial claim was that punching, kicking, and stabbing were ineffective at breaking up dog fights and make them worse. I back-pedaled slightly to say that stabbing (lethal actions) is effective if it's a scenario where non-lethal tools prove ineffective. My biggest issue from the start was the socialization of "three bystanders to…

Yes I agree about us having some difficulty in properly communicating what's going on. It was a very dynamic situation. It was just a bunch of passers by jumping in to help in whatever way they were able or thought appropriate at the moment.

I don't know what would have been, so to speak, appropriate and would have been effective. The one thing I knew to try was to do the wheelbarrow and that did nothing at leas in attitude of the pit bull. I was totally focused on my not being excessively injured or letting the other dog be torn apart and didn't organize anyone else's interaction, like "I'll hold the legs and you kick it."

If anything it was the opposite of bystander syndrome where everyone thinks someone else will do whatever is needed. Everyone there was doing whatever they could with the tools and knowledge or lack of knowledge that they had.

Re: Mosquitoes kill more than 700k people every year (2017)

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Post by seppin »

michaelmrose wrote: post #407
seppin wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. The statistics are 80% pits and pit breed derivatives. You are welcome to argue against facts and statistics but I wont be joining you. 2. Shifting all the blame onto owners is ignoring the clear trend. If 100% of gun owners were safe and responsible, there would still be gun deaths because of the capacity of a gun to kill someone. Same with Pits. 3. I agree but that's your logic, not mine. You are also shifting f…

Dogsbite is a worthless source. You yourself aren't being consistent in your arguments. First it was pit bulls were responsible for 80% of fatalities and now its pits and rottweilers are responsible for 76. Would you like to settle on "big dogs are the ones that normally manage to kill people" and include 2 or 3 more large breeds? Looking at the link it relies on news paper stories to report that the death happened a…

> Would you like to settle on "big dogs are the ones that normally manage to kill people" and include 2 or 3 more large breeds?

Sure, doesn't detract from my point at all. Nitpicking numbers is not a good use of anyone's time.

Your entire argument seems to rely solely on attacking the source. Everything I google turns up similar numbers

https://www.caninejournal.com/dog-bite-statistics/ https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-studies.php

If you are going to grab your tin foil hat and claim an internet-wide conspiracy against your dog of choice, fine. I don't see any reason to participate.

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