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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by RangerScience »

monoideism wrote: post #286
stonogo wrote: post #219

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Here you go. https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/gv2ogk/news_ch...

That looks very suspicious, but if this were really a widespread technique by the police, I'm assuming there would be more than a single video taken. I mean, we know the black bloc and similar groups engages in these tactics, they've been doing it since Seattle WTO 1999. I've seen it in person to protests I've been to (as a protester). It's very hard for me to believe that all of a sudden those people are no longer a…

> we know the black bloc and similar groups engages in these tactics

How do you know this? What's the process by which you established this as a known thing?

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by Pfhreak »

fastball wrote: post #273
Pfhreak wrote: post #107

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There's no such thing as unbiased news coverage. Any news outlet has more stories to report than they have capacity to report. They must exhibit some bias to control for what they show. (Or, alternatively, I guess they could just randomly select news stories, but I don't think that'd be very compelling.)

Or they could only write about things they have thoroughly researched, not try to write about every event that happens, many of which they are just regurgitating from another source without any additional fact-checking or analysis anyway.

Ok, how do you select the things to research without bias?

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by Pfhreak »

wnoise wrote: post #223
Pfhreak wrote: post #121

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One of those groups has access to military hardware, live ammunition, and legal (or cultural) protections from prosecution. It's dangerously to boil down the arguments from both sides and say, "Look, these two things are the same!" because even if both sides were saying, "It's a few bad apples", the implications of that would be wildly different.

One of these groups could in theory arrest their bad apples. The other cannot.

Or, at the absolute minimum, fire them.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by [deleted] »

jwilber wrote: post #148
jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

It’s the same here in Seattle as it was while I was in Berkeley during Ferguson. People protest peacefully, and police shoot tear gas into the crowd and attack whomever they can get their hands on. I’ll admit, the outright brutality I saw in-person in Oakland was worse than what I’ve seen here in the recent days. In Oakland, the police would purposely corral protestors into groups and literally beat the shit out of t…

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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by DiffEq »

untog wrote: post #332
DiffEq wrote: post #320

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Do you have a reading comprehension disability? I am pretty sure I did not say they should have killed him.

Then why does it matter whether he is a "saint" or not? I could see your argument if he was angrily brandishing a gun and they had to make a quick decision to act, but that's very obviously not the case.

DUIs kill far more people than guns; he was a menacing danger to society. https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impa...

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by filoleg »

untog wrote: post #332
DiffEq wrote: post #320

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Do you have a reading comprehension disability? I am pretty sure I did not say they should have killed him.

Then why does it matter whether he is a "saint" or not? I could see your argument if he was angrily brandishing a gun and they had to make a quick decision to act, but that's very obviously not the case.

Exactly. He could have done whatever criminal things prior, but it has nothing to do with the specific scenario. He wasn't resisting arrest and was unjustly killed. Whatever he has done in the past has no bearing on it.

People tend to forget that others are just mere humans, and no one is a saint. Ffs, even MLK, for all the great progress he brought about, was cheating on his wife, which is imo pretty immoral and universally condemned. But it doesn't diminish his accomplishments in any way.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by morsch »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #338
AlexandrB wrote: post #233

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One of the sides mentioned has a monopoly on the lawful use of force. Shouldn't we expect better from them in return?

No, the police do not have a monopoly on the lawful use of force. Not in the USA... or, at least, not in most areas of the USA. It's ironic that the people trying their best to change that are also the ones who are most closely aligned with the victims of police brutality, politically speaking. One of many things I don't understand.

What are you hinting at? A second amendment thing? Because that really has nothing to do with the monopoly on use of violence. You can be violent without a gun. Who gets to be violent in a legal manner is an orthogonal issue.

And how is it ironic? When has the second amendment ever done anything for victims of police brutality? How often has widespread gun ownership been used as an excuse for excessive police force?

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by filoleg »

DiffEq wrote: post #365
untog wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why does it matter whether he is a "saint" or not? I could see your argument if he was angrily brandishing a gun and they had to make a quick decision to act, but that's very obviously not the case.

DUIs kill far more people than guns; he was a menacing danger to society. https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impa...

Even if he was DUI, no one has canceled due process. And even with due process, I don't think we give people death sentences for DUI.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by golemiprague »

rhino369 wrote: post #296
pwinnski wrote: post #146

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I recently read that if you tend to think, "it's a shame that black people are being killed by cops like this, but the rioting and looting MUST stop," perhaps you should consider thinking more like, "it's a shame that there is rioting and looting, but black people being killed by cops like this MUST stop."

There is no reason why it can't be "black people being killed by cops like this MUST stop" and "the rioting and looting MUST stop." Buried in your reasoning is the idea that the rioting and looting is helping reducing black deaths by cops. I see no reason to believe that. First, its directly putting people into violent conflict with police. So additional black people have been killed by police caused by the rioting.…

I always thought the police in America is too violent comparing to other places but this is a race war, not a demonstration against police violence and if anything it shows me why the police is so violent there. If it was a demonstration against police violence it would have happened also when they kill white people because there are much more unjustified cases like that.

I think the reason for police violence in the US are black people, they simply kill each other too much and from what I see act completely irrationally and with indiscriminate violence towards innocent people. No wonder the police is all the time on edge there and other races suffer because the police policies are created with black communities behaviour in mind, then they apply it also to peaceful people outside and inside the black community.

I can't believe in all of this discussion nobody mention the way African Americans in the US behave, as if the police works in a vacuum and as if slavery that was abolished years ago is an excuse for what's going on there. I think people are too afraid to say what's on their mind because they will be called racist but deep inside that's what people think otherwise how comes half of the country voted for Trump but I don't see anybody here say what half of the country thinks?

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by Kiro »

jascii wrote: post #190
TheChaplain wrote: post #178

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From all the videos/pictures circulating I see both sides doing cheap-shots to escalate the situation and prove that their narrative is the right one. But when will people take a step back and start asking themselves; who profits on this turmoil?

Do you have any concrete examples where the protesters instigated the violence? I have not been able to find any.

I don't understand how you can think that all violence everywhere was started by the police. Yes, the police has probably been guilty of that, but do you really think all protestors are unanimously and inherently peaceful in every single place? Even in Sweden most protests are filled with bad actors and professional rioters who just want to cause a stir.
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