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Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by kcorey »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #287
jwilber wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s the same here in Seattle as it was while I was in Berkeley during Ferguson. People protest peacefully, and police shoot tear gas into the crowd and attack whomever they can get their hands on. I’ll admit, the outright brutality I saw in-person in Oakland was worse than what I’ve seen here in the recent days. In Oakland, the police would purposely corral protestors into groups and literally beat the shit out of t…

In any case, it’s all the same: in a country that parades its freedom, people of color can’t protest without the president calling for them to be roughed up, and without the police willingly complying. That’s a load of bullshit and you know it. This isn’t the situation.

No, we really don't. The videos don't lie, trump does.

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Post by loceng »

If you haven't seen it yet there's a 2020 Police Brutality subreddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/2020PoliceBrutality/ - that's very active in cataloguing the increasing number of video evidence of police brutality; 35,000 subscribers, up from 12,000 just this morning.

Warning: there is a lot of disturbing content there.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by bosswipe »

rhino369 wrote: post #279
bosswipe wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But aren't you supposed to defend their right to say it even if you disagree?

A couple points. Sure, but that doesn't extend to rioting and looting. The government has been restricting our first amendment rights to assemble for covid for 3 months. It's illegal to hold church services right now. Are we in a public heath emergency or not?

Right, government should not have the right to shutdown churches or the press or political rallies. We ostensibly hold these shared American values but it always breaks down along partisan lines.

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Post by nemothekid »

mrfusion wrote: post #261

It seems like in a democracy that voting should be able to effect the changes we need. What has gone wrong?

Are you serious?

1. If that were true women would still be unable to vote. Would you tell women in 1905 that "it's a democracy, you don't need to protest, just vote."

2. Even now, we have seen the power that be make it more and more difficult to vote. The current administration is throwing a complete temper tantrum at even the thought of letting people use absentee ballots during a national pandemic, citing the voter fraud boogeyman.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by dlp211 »

Loughla wrote: post #131
bosswipe wrote: post #91

I had been heartened by the right's recent upswing in fierce support for the first amendment, but unfortunately I've seen little of that support during the protests as freedom of assembly and freedom of the press have been attacked. For example Rand Paul has not tweeted in a week. Sadly, as always, these kind of principled arguments, on both sides, are a sham to advance whatever the partisan battle of the week is.

I honestly wish there was anyone in Washington who seemed willing or able to lead in a bipartisan manner. Someone who didn't rely on the partisan firestorm of the week to get support. It's all very disheartening, and hard to explain to my children.

What does "lead in a bipartisan manner" even mean? In what era of this country did anyone lead in a "bipartisan manner"?

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Post by rhino369 »

pwinnski wrote: post #146
ravenstine wrote: post #139

A reporter at my previous workplace, KPCC, was shot in the neck with a rubber bullet on Saturday. https://laist.com/2020/05/31/reporters_injured_protests_poli... It's unfortunate that it's gotten to this point for people to take police brutality at least somewhat seriously. I'm mistaken for being pro-police and anti-BLM merely because I'm against the looting and rioting. I've always had the stance that the police in…

I recently read that if you tend to think, "it's a shame that black people are being killed by cops like this, but the rioting and looting MUST stop," perhaps you should consider thinking more like, "it's a shame that there is rioting and looting, but black people being killed by cops like this MUST stop."

There is no reason why it can't be "black people being killed by cops like this MUST stop" and "the rioting and looting MUST stop."

Buried in your reasoning is the idea that the rioting and looting is helping reducing black deaths by cops. I see no reason to believe that.

First, its directly putting people into violent conflict with police. So additional black people have been killed by police caused by the rioting. Second, innocent people are getting killed by the rioting.

Third, there are people who would support police reform but are also terrified of looters and rioters. The riots are giving me a look at what my city looks like without police control, and it is scary. I know that police v. lawlessness is a false dichotomy and I reject that sort of thinking.

There was a consensus that what happened to George Floyd was an atrocity. Even racists thought so. A huge peaceful protest would have raised awareness.

Violence lost that consensus.

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Post by _y5hn »

99_00 wrote: post #155
jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

Why did the police shoot teargas and pepper spray into the crowd?

To clear the path to some good ol' fashioned bible-thumpin'

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Post by [deleted] »

jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

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Post by chasd00 »

99_00 wrote: post #155
jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

Why did the police shoot teargas and pepper spray into the crowd?

My guess would be curfew, crowd was told to leave, and it didn't. That's when teargas starts getting fired from my experience ( crowd told to go home and it doesn't ).

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Post by DiffEq »

zouhair wrote: post #163
jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

It's actually worse than that. Even in the killing of Floyd the Police claimed he resisted arrest, which was a lie[0], the coroner said it wasn't asphyxia that killed him (despite all the videos) and a private autopsy found that's not true[1]. They did all this amidst a huge public outcry, what do you think happens to some poor schmuck when no camera is around. Like this[2] and this[3]......... EDIT: Here is one wher…

How is it that this man, Floyd, has been turned into a saint? He was intoxicated and behind the wheel of a car! Had he not been stopped, and killed an innocent child, it might be on the 5 o'clock news but probably not; none of you would care and would still be insisting that everyone be forced to stay quarantined for Covid-19 reasons. Sure, clearly the cops handled this wrong, but what got Floyd there in the 1st place? High on drugs or alcohol, passing counterfeit money, and driving while under the influence - hardly the kind of model citizen/saint we want on the streets. All of you are hypocrites...lambasting people at the beach enjoying the sun and praising people out on the street vandalizing and looting....
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