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Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#262Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…
It's actually worse than that. Even in the killing of Floyd the Police claimed he resisted arrest, which was a lie[0], the coroner said it wasn't asphyxia that killed him (despite all the videos) and a private autopsy found that's not true[1]. They did all this amidst a huge public outcry, what do you think happens to some poor schmuck when no camera is around. Like this[2] and this[3]......... EDIT: Here is one wher…
This officer claimed he feared for his life. No charges were brought. The dashcam video is supposed to be exculpatory, but that's not how I see it.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/04/zachary-hamm...
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#263I had been heartened by the right's recent upswing in fierce support for the first amendment, but unfortunately I've seen little of that support during the protests as freedom of assembly and freedom of the press have been attacked. For example Rand Paul has not tweeted in a week. Sadly, as always, these kind of principled arguments, on both sides, are a sham to advance whatever the partisan battle of the week is.
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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
"numerous videos show police breaking windows themselves" I don't believe you. The umbrella guy breaking the AutoZone window with a hammer has no connection to any police department. Someone made that up on social media and people shared it because that's what people do. The only video I know of showing officers breaking a window is out of Seattle. It shows officers responding to a burglary in progress at a Target st…
Here you go. https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/gv2ogk/news_ch...
More people should see this!
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#265I had been heartened by the right's recent upswing in fierce support for the first amendment, but unfortunately I've seen little of that support during the protests as freedom of assembly and freedom of the press have been attacked. For example Rand Paul has not tweeted in a week. Sadly, as always, these kind of principled arguments, on both sides, are a sham to advance whatever the partisan battle of the week is.
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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#266Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…
I've seen quite a few videos and read a lot of articles about what's going on, and from my perspective Law Enforcement are scared Sh&^less they will lose control and get completely over-run by the protesters. Realizing how angry the people are and how massively outnumbered they are they've decided to come out hard with violence in an attempt to squash the protests, which makes sense. I don't think it would take much…
They're not scared overall though. Yes, the guys on the front line against the riots, maybe. Those shooting at press, people on their porches, spraying directly in the faces of unarmed people passing by... no, they're not afraid.
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#267Earlier quoted context omitted.
I changed it from the article title to a shortened version of the URL slug (/well-try-to-help-you-follow-the-police-attacks-on-journalists-across-the-country). That's often a legit source title, along with the HTML doc title, and other places that articles tend to reveal what they're actually about ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ). The reason I changed it is that "U.S. police have a…
Separately and for transparency, I emailed dang and the HN moderation team and asked for this public response. Thank you dang for doing so and bringing transparency to your moderating decisions.
It's good that you emailed because I probably wouldn't have seen the question otherwise. That's one main reason the guidelines ask people to email us with questions instead of posting them on the site (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). There's far too much material here for us to read or even see it all.
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#268Some people say police attacking journalists are isolated incidents by a few bad eggs, most of them are doing the right thing. Some people say protestors becoming violent, vandalizing, and looting are isolated incidents by a few bad eggs, most of them are doing the right thing. Really similar thought processes go into those two, usually by people you can sort into camps of opposing worldviews. They're both right and…
One of those groups has access to military hardware, live ammunition, and legal (or cultural) protections from prosecution. It's dangerously to boil down the arguments from both sides and say, "Look, these two things are the same!" because even if both sides were saying, "It's a few bad apples", the implications of that would be wildly different.
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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#269Earlier quoted context omitted.
All ideas should be considered, but yours is not one I subscribe to. More people have been killed and had their lives destroyed as the result of non-protestors taking advantage of the protests to destroy communities. This is before the actual protests themselves have even been given a chance to succeed without violence. To subscribe to your perspective, I would have to believe that rioting and looting is the way to a…
> More people have been killed and had their lives destroyed as the result of non-protestors taking advantage of the protests to destroy communities. [Citation needed] I find it hard to believe that a few days of these riots has caused more damage and loss of life than generations of racial oppression and police brutality. If you’ve got a source, I’m all ears.
> [Citation needed]
If you had simply asked me to share what I know, I would have given you some links. But I have a distaste for the "[Citation Needed]" meme because it's pompous, so I suggest you do some basic research yourself. If you can do 2nd grade arithmetic, you can figure out that 2 or more deaths is greater than 1 death. If you've even watched a minute of TV in the last 5 days, I shouldn't have to argue whether more people's lives have been destroyed than if the riots didn't happen at all.
> I find it hard to believe that a few days of these riots has caused more damage and loss of life than generations of racial oppression and police brutality.
That's not even close to what I said.
Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28
#270It seems like in a democracy that voting should be able to effect the changes we need. What has gone wrong?
We have a system of Democracy that emphasizes property over people.