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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by dang »

AaronFriel wrote: post #194
dang wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I changed it from the article title to a shortened version of the URL slug (/well-try-to-help-you-follow-the-police-attacks-on-journalists-across-the-country). That's often a legit source title, along with the HTML doc title, and other places that articles tend to reveal what they're actually about ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ). The reason I changed it is that "U.S. police have a…

I would like you to please change the title back because the quantity and recency is salient to the topic, and that the new title diminishes the title in those two specific ways. 1. This is not just about police attacks against journalists across the U.S. in general, this is about attacks since a specific date. The date matters because it is recent, it delineates a specific span of time (a mere five days), which help…

That's a fair point about recency, so I've added the date back to the title above.

(Sorry for editing my comment on the fly like that - yours is long enough that I imagine I changed the carpet under you several times while you were writing. It's the most convenient way for me to craft responses, so I do it all the time, even though there are downsides.)

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by bosswipe »

prudhvis wrote: post #180
bosswipe wrote: post #91

I had been heartened by the right's recent upswing in fierce support for the first amendment, but unfortunately I've seen little of that support during the protests as freedom of assembly and freedom of the press have been attacked. For example Rand Paul has not tweeted in a week. Sadly, as always, these kind of principled arguments, on both sides, are a sham to advance whatever the partisan battle of the week is.

Aren't most of these happening in majority left wing states and cities run by the left. AFAIK they are still report the Mayors of the cities. Let's not make this a Right vs Left thing any more. The country is already divided as it is, we don't need further division in this country.

If the first amendment violations are being done by left wing politicians then it should be even easier for the right to attack them, but instead they're silent or encouraging tougher violations.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by colllectorof »

jascii wrote: post #190
TheChaplain wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From all the videos/pictures circulating I see both sides doing cheap-shots to escalate the situation and prove that their narrative is the right one. But when will people take a step back and start asking themselves; who profits on this turmoil?

Do you have any concrete examples where the protesters instigated the violence? I have not been able to find any.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wz69m4hKsw

Someone at a protest was stabbed. Police was called to arrest the stabber and take the victim to hospital. They were actually leaving when some people started throwing rocks and bottles at them.

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Post by SpelingBeeChamp »

jwilber wrote: post #148
jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

It’s the same here in Seattle as it was while I was in Berkeley during Ferguson. People protest peacefully, and police shoot tear gas into the crowd and attack whomever they can get their hands on. I’ll admit, the outright brutality I saw in-person in Oakland was worse than what I’ve seen here in the recent days. In Oakland, the police would purposely corral protestors into groups and literally beat the shit out of t…

"numerous videos show police breaking windows themselves"

I don't believe you.

The umbrella guy breaking the AutoZone window with a hammer has no connection to any police department. Someone made that up on social media and people shared it because that's what people do.

The only video I know of showing officers breaking a window is out of Seattle. It shows officers responding to a burglary in progress at a Target store. The officers had to chip away at the already broken glass windows so they could safely get in. (The burglars had broken the glass to get inside.) Once inside, the responding officers found and arrested the three burglars they had come for.

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Post by AaronFriel »

dang wrote: post #211
AaronFriel wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would like you to please change the title back because the quantity and recency is salient to the topic, and that the new title diminishes the title in those two specific ways. 1. This is not just about police attacks against journalists across the U.S. in general, this is about attacks since a specific date. The date matters because it is recent, it delineates a specific span of time (a mere five days), which help…

That's a fair point about recency, so I've added the date back to the title above. (Sorry for editing my comment on the fly like that - yours is long enough that I imagine I changed the carpet under you several times while you were writing. It's the most convenient way for me to craft responses, so I do it all the time, even though there are downsides.)

Thank you for compromising.

And no worries, I do the same thing.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by klyrs »

lostmsu wrote: post #191
klyrs wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intentionally picked up from a position that police told them was okay to take. Offered to move for a subsequent officer who confronted them, and were arrested for resisting arrest. Don't take my word for it, cameras were rolling the whole time. Governor acknowledges that this was improper. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/29/cnn-reporters-cover... Another case where a reporter shows his credentials and gets arr…

The first one is concerning, but the incident appears to be resolved now (?). The second one does not seem like a major problem to me, as the police might not know a random filming guy showing some piece of paper to be an actual reporter, rather than just a friend of the rioters filming their action for YouTube. It seems it also was resolved. Unless there's an easy way for police to make a credible determination if t…

That's two examples, literally the first two hits of an obvious search. Officials are acknowledging that these are wrongful arrests, why can't you?

There's 110 cases mentioned in this article. Instead of demanding that we spoon-feed you evidence, please continue looking into the evidence. Because there's tons of it and you know how to find it.

> The first one is concerning, but the incident appears to be resolved now (?).

Sure. Call it resolved. That does not mean that it didn't happen the way that it's being described.

> Again, this does not support the implication of the title, that police picked journalists intentionally...

This is a really weird point to get hung up on, given that the title of the original article is "U.S. police have attacked journalists more than 120 times since May 28". Where does it say "intentional"? I can't decide if this is a strawman or goalpost shifting, but either way your approach to this conversation is odious.

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Post by 99_00 »

augustt wrote: post #175
99_00 wrote: post #150

Is this because of police changing their tactics or is it because of journalists changing their tactics? I don't know the answer, but with the internet and analytics, we've seen media become more sensationalistic to get those clicks and views. So this is a possibility that should be considered.

Honestly cannot tell if you're trolling. If journalists are getting roughed up more because of sensationalism (still well within their 1st amendment rights) that is _completely_ the fault of police. One side has cameras. The other side has guns. When violence happens, who's fault do you think it is?

Do you agree that police have the right to declare a gathering unlawful and can clear the area?

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Post by stonogo »

SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #214
jwilber wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s the same here in Seattle as it was while I was in Berkeley during Ferguson. People protest peacefully, and police shoot tear gas into the crowd and attack whomever they can get their hands on. I’ll admit, the outright brutality I saw in-person in Oakland was worse than what I’ve seen here in the recent days. In Oakland, the police would purposely corral protestors into groups and literally beat the shit out of t…

"numerous videos show police breaking windows themselves" I don't believe you. The umbrella guy breaking the AutoZone window with a hammer has no connection to any police department. Someone made that up on social media and people shared it because that's what people do. The only video I know of showing officers breaking a window is out of Seattle. It shows officers responding to a burglary in progress at a Target st…

Here you go. https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/gv2ogk/news_ch...

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Post by illumin8 »

simonw wrote: post #22

Since this is happening simultaneously in many different cities around the country, I have to wonder if there are private Facebook or WhatsApp or Signal groups where police members are talking about this trend. I'd very much like to see those conversations.

Facebook employees - this is how you can speak truth to power. Publish those private group communications. Name and shame the officers encouraging violence against protestors. You know it is happening, and you have the power to expose these abuses by police, military, and other extremist groups that have taken over what used to be a highly respectable profession.
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