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Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by at-fates-hands »

Loughla wrote: post #35
starpilot wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're assuming most cops support Trump?

Yes. It's anecdotal at best, but all of the 6 cops I know have either "Trump 2020" or "Trump No More Bullshit" or (my personal favorite) "Trump Making Liberals Cry Since 2016" flags flying above the US flag at their homes. My baseline assumption is a vast majority of police/sheriffs/troopers support Trump. Is this incorrect?

>> "Trump Making Liberals Cry Since 2016" flags flying above the US flag at their homes.

I'm having a hard time understanding why this is wrong?

EDIT: "Meh, I'm not going to try and explain it, I'll just downvote it." Bravo. B R A V O.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by mindslight »

99_00 wrote: post #155
jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

Why did the police shoot teargas and pepper spray into the crowd?

To get to the other side.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by sanarothe »

pwinnski wrote: post #146
ravenstine wrote: post #139

A reporter at my previous workplace, KPCC, was shot in the neck with a rubber bullet on Saturday. https://laist.com/2020/05/31/reporters_injured_protests_poli... It's unfortunate that it's gotten to this point for people to take police brutality at least somewhat seriously. I'm mistaken for being pro-police and anti-BLM merely because I'm against the looting and rioting. I've always had the stance that the police in…

I recently read that if you tend to think, "it's a shame that black people are being killed by cops like this, but the rioting and looting MUST stop," perhaps you should consider thinking more like, "it's a shame that there is rioting and looting, but black people being killed by cops like this MUST stop."

Yes realistically it took a couple hundred residents about an hour to clean up La Mesa after the riot stopped.

We lost a couple banks and a pizza hut.

But its quite tenable. No one will mourn for the buildings or police cruisers.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by lreeves »

elliekelly wrote: post #127
sixothree wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Third party oversight. This country was founded on checks and balances. There are no checks to their power as it stands now.

> Third party oversight. Aren't the journalists supposed to be the third party oversight? Showing and telling the rest of us what's happening so that when one side oversteps we as a society can take action to correct it?

That works great until a sitting US president demonizes the journalists for four years.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by augustt »

99_00 wrote: post #150

Is this because of police changing their tactics or is it because of journalists changing their tactics? I don't know the answer, but with the internet and analytics, we've seen media become more sensationalistic to get those clicks and views. So this is a possibility that should be considered.

Honestly cannot tell if you're trolling. If journalists are getting roughed up more because of sensationalism (still well within their 1st amendment rights) that is _completely_ the fault of police.

One side has cameras. The other side has guns. When violence happens, who's fault do you think it is?

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by 99_00 »

xenospn wrote: post #164
99_00 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did the police shoot teargas and pepper spray into the crowd?

Without having any sort of insight into police behavior, I'm assuming two likely options: 1. They are given rubber bullets and mace without any form of de-escalation training, so they just use the tools they have at their disposal. 2. Just like any kind of organism, the police force needs to preserve itself and make sure it is necessary. The military doesn't like peace, and the police cannot thrive with peaceful prot…

I can't speak to your experience, but I've been in multiple riots, and you are right, teargas make some peaceful protestors violent and angry.

From what I've seen, teargas and mace are used after a small minority of protesters become violent and the crowd is lawfully ordered to disperse.

I can't say if these are the right tactics, but I have not seen police use these things for no obvious reason.

The one situation where this wasn't the case is when peaceful protesters were blocking one of the two roads that was going to be used to transport multiple heads of state off of a peninsula after high level discussions. I assume this was due to some security consideration, but I don't know. The crowd was passive.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by bosswipe »

Press2forEN wrote: post #166
bosswipe wrote: post #91

I had been heartened by the right's recent upswing in fierce support for the first amendment, but unfortunately I've seen little of that support during the protests as freedom of assembly and freedom of the press have been attacked. For example Rand Paul has not tweeted in a week. Sadly, as always, these kind of principled arguments, on both sides, are a sham to advance whatever the partisan battle of the week is.

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But aren't you supposed to defend their right to say it even if you disagree?

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by TheChaplain »

jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

From all the videos/pictures circulating I see both sides doing cheap-shots to escalate the situation and prove that their narrative is the right one.

But when will people take a step back and start asking themselves; who profits on this turmoil?

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by pwinnski »

lostmsu wrote: post #88
evan_ wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curfew orders have exceptions for credentialed press. The law is on the side of journalists.

I bet the reason for these journalists ending up in the line of attack is not violation of curfew, but a violation of a lawful order to disperse. I am impressed so many people on HN do not seem to understand the concept and reasoning behind it.

The first amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America supersedes local ordnances, and journalists absolutely do no have to disperse when police issues such an order to the general public.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by prudhvis »

bosswipe wrote: post #91

I had been heartened by the right's recent upswing in fierce support for the first amendment, but unfortunately I've seen little of that support during the protests as freedom of assembly and freedom of the press have been attacked. For example Rand Paul has not tweeted in a week. Sadly, as always, these kind of principled arguments, on both sides, are a sham to advance whatever the partisan battle of the week is.

Aren't most of these happening in majority left wing states and cities run by the left. AFAIK they are still report the Mayors of the cities. Let's not make this a Right vs Left thing any more. The country is already divided as it is, we don't need further division in this country.
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