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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by ravenstine »

jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

To me, it was pretty clear that the police in Santa Monica and Long Beach allowed the looting to occur while treating the protesters like criminals from the outset. This isn't to say that other local precincts weren't significantly better in their treatment of protesters, but there's clear evidence that many police departments are either corrupt or completely inept in addressing violent crime.

This has been a long time coming, too. In the last few years, many police departments around the country have thrown their hands up and publicly stated they won't be bothering with most property crimes. The way they see it, the only crimes worth their time involve people not committing real crimes at all or crimes involving guns or knives. Anyone who doesn't get why people don't trust the police has been living under a rock. This goes beyond just racism.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by alpha_squared »

georgeburdell wrote: post #75

@dang are you making an exception for these posts given the current situation? Although important, I do not see anything of technological interest. Any post about the protests are going to incite flame wars and make HN indistinguishable from any other social website right now.

There are several things posted daily that are not "of technological interest" and land on the front page. Sometimes those things are even tangentially political. Unfortunately, I think this topic makes plenty of people very uncomfortable to talk about. Whether that's because of privilege or ignorance or something else altogether, I don't know. However, I think the ramifications and scale of this situation merits paying attention regardless of how uncomfortable it makes someone feel to encounter it. The rest of the world certainly is.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by Pils »

arianvanp wrote: post #108
georgeburdell wrote: post #75

@dang are you making an exception for these posts given the current situation? Although important, I do not see anything of technological interest. Any post about the protests are going to incite flame wars and make HN indistinguishable from any other social website right now.

Though I agree the discussion might turn into flame war. I think this too much of an important flame war to just remove or deprioritise from the homepage ... Just my two cents. Technology has been extremely relevant in this whole ordeal. The fact that we can now create and share videos online that document these human right violations en masse is a thing that technology has allowed us to do. OTOH We as the 'tech worl…

The poster you are responding to is not making his argument in good faith. He is more than fine posting inflammatory political statements on HN:

>The benefits of diversity is the Left’s pseudoscience...I want climate deniers and diversity sycophants alike purged from the scientific apparatus.[1]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19912265

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by theplague42 »

bosswipe wrote: post #91

I had been heartened by the right's recent upswing in fierce support for the first amendment, but unfortunately I've seen little of that support during the protests as freedom of assembly and freedom of the press have been attacked. For example Rand Paul has not tweeted in a week. Sadly, as always, these kind of principled arguments, on both sides, are a sham to advance whatever the partisan battle of the week is.

That's because their support was always fake. It's about non-existent "censorship" of conservatives, nothing more.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by 99_00 »

jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

Why did the police shoot teargas and pepper spray into the crowd?

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by DaniloDias »

kevinmgranger wrote: post #135
DaniloDias wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Also who gives a shit if they just got verbally harassed for an hour. This statement is emblematic of the fundamental problem affecting our culture. I hate excessive violence. I hate excessive force. I can’t take anyone seriously if they argue that bad behavior doesn’t matter. Your 8 hour day in retail or at the office is not the same as working law enforcement during a riot. It is entitlement or stupidity.

If an officer is going to respond to hurt feelings with violence after some hour-mark, then: 1. police forces need to limit their time, and forces that do not need to held accountable 2. they need to not be police They _need_ to be held to a higher standard than everyone else.

No disagreement

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by drocer88 »

jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

What events were you at? Everything is on video these days somewhere. Can you point us to an online video example that you were at?

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by btbuildem »

imperio59 wrote: post #44
chadlavi wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That, and the journalists are literally there to record evidence of their abuse. Police don't like it too much when you record evidence of them, say, beating a peaceful protester, or forcing a weapon into the hands of someone already pinned to the ground.

Where have you seen cops forcing weapons into the hands of someone on the ground? I haven't seen that. Definitely seen excessive use of force against seemingly peaceful protesters, but context is everything, and a 10 second snippet does not tell the full story of the interactions between that protester and that cop for the 45 minutes leading up to those 10 seconds. I tend to reserve my judgement on those types of vid…

https://www.reddit.com/r/awfuleverything/comments/gv57ho/phi...

maybe maybe

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by colechristensen »

Pfhreak wrote: post #121
colechristensen wrote: post #111

Some people say police attacking journalists are isolated incidents by a few bad eggs, most of them are doing the right thing. Some people say protestors becoming violent, vandalizing, and looting are isolated incidents by a few bad eggs, most of them are doing the right thing. Really similar thought processes go into those two, usually by people you can sort into camps of opposing worldviews. They're both right and…

One of those groups has access to military hardware, live ammunition, and legal (or cultural) protections from prosecution. It's dangerously to boil down the arguments from both sides and say, "Look, these two things are the same!" because even if both sides were saying, "It's a few bad apples", the implications of that would be wildly different.

It's unfortunately not an easy task, getting people to see a whole issue and not just their own interpretation.

Whatever your side, have empathy for the people you oppose and try to understand their failings and mistakes. Without that, progress and improvement are nearly impossible.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by 99_00 »

simonw wrote: post #22

Since this is happening simultaneously in many different cities around the country, I have to wonder if there are private Facebook or WhatsApp or Signal groups where police members are talking about this trend. I'd very much like to see those conversations.

I think you are on the right track, in so far as we need to understand what the constant across many different cities around the country.

Here is what I think (I know I will be burned at the steak for this):

The media market is the constant.

Media organizations and reporters are incentivized to get the most extreme and sensationalistic footage, so they are taking more risks and crossing more lines than every before.

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