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Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by Loughla »

bosswipe wrote: post #91

I had been heartened by the right's recent upswing in fierce support for the first amendment, but unfortunately I've seen little of that support during the protests as freedom of assembly and freedom of the press have been attacked. For example Rand Paul has not tweeted in a week. Sadly, as always, these kind of principled arguments, on both sides, are a sham to advance whatever the partisan battle of the week is.

I honestly wish there was anyone in Washington who seemed willing or able to lead in a bipartisan manner. Someone who didn't rely on the partisan firestorm of the week to get support.

It's all very disheartening, and hard to explain to my children.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by mountainboot »

tw000001 wrote: post #76
hrishid wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how certain kinds of rhetoric from the political left demonizes police offers, it seems likely that many of them have found a home on the right.

This is something people are severely underestimating. If you slander and dehumanize 40-60% of the population with accusations of white supremacy, you're going to create a white supremacist movement where one did not previously exist.

What nonsense is this? Falsely accusing someone of being a white supremacist does not turn them into a white supremacist.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by jascii »

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations.

I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the crowd.

I find it really hard to not come to the conclusion that the police is desperately trying to set a narrative to justify a history of violence by escalating more violence, but please, someone, restore my faith.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by steffandroid »

zubspace wrote: post #36

Here's another article uncovering the brutality of the police [1]. Some of the scenes are really inhuman [2] and I feel sorry for the poor people trying to make their voices heard. I hope, that both sides, the protesters and police force will find a way, to exit that spiral of violence. But right now it looks like this won't happen. It's a shame. If the state acts harder against protesters, journalists and civilian b…

> I hope, that both sides, the protesters and police force will find a way, to exit that spiral of violence.

The two sides are massively unequal in terms of power, the onus is on the police to stop the violence.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by kevinmgranger »

DaniloDias wrote: post #112
hmcdona1 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is definitely a video from a day or two ago of a cop on top of a protestor with his hand pinned to the ground the cop then moves his baton under the hand of the protester and keeps it pinned on top. He proceeds to then punch his hand trying to appear as if he wants him to let go. Also who gives a shit if they just got verbally harassed for an hour. I don’t get to lose my shit and delete a project because someon…

>> Also who gives a shit if they just got verbally harassed for an hour. This statement is emblematic of the fundamental problem affecting our culture. I hate excessive violence. I hate excessive force. I can’t take anyone seriously if they argue that bad behavior doesn’t matter. Your 8 hour day in retail or at the office is not the same as working law enforcement during a riot. It is entitlement or stupidity.

If an officer is going to respond to hurt feelings with violence after some hour-mark, then:

1. police forces need to limit their time, and forces that do not need to held accountable

2. they need to not be police

They _need_ to be held to a higher standard than everyone else.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by camdenlock »

Two things can be true here: police overreach, and terrorist violence. Both need to be dealt with. We need law enforcement to keep order and uphold the law, while also not silencing reporters and journalists. Terrorists, we just need them to fuck right off. (In this case, the horizontally-organized “antifa” cells)

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by dashundchen »

brenden2 wrote: post #99

For anyone who wants to keep an eye on what's going on, the subreddit /r/PublicFreakout is full of videos of police (and rioters) engaging in violence. I haven't found a better source yet. There's sometimes misattributed content, so be sure to wade carefully. Many of these cases have multiple videos from different people from different angles as well. The evidence is quite damning.

https://www.reddit.com/r/2020PoliceBrutality/ for another source of documented police violence.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by throwaway743 »

elliekelly wrote: post #127
sixothree wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Third party oversight. This country was founded on checks and balances. There are no checks to their power as it stands now.

> Third party oversight. Aren't the journalists supposed to be the third party oversight? Showing and telling the rest of us what's happening so that when one side oversteps we as a society can take action to correct it?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by ravenstine »

A reporter at my previous workplace, KPCC, was shot in the neck with a rubber bullet on Saturday.

https://laist.com/2020/05/31/reporters_injured_protests_poli...

It's unfortunate that it's gotten to this point for people to take police brutality at least somewhat seriously.

I'm mistaken for being pro-police and anti-BLM merely because I'm against the looting and rioting. I've always had the stance that the police in their current form are state-sanctioned street gangs.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by stefan_ »

simonw wrote: post #22

Since this is happening simultaneously in many different cities around the country, I have to wonder if there are private Facebook or WhatsApp or Signal groups where police members are talking about this trend. I'd very much like to see those conversations.

When four St Louis cops beat up an undercover cop at a protest, the ensuing federal suit (that's right, takes a cop to charge a cop) revealed some of the text messages of those involved:

https://twitter.com/alexiszotos/status/1068260482807676931

The more the merrier! Its gonna get IGNORANT tonight! But it's gonna be a lot of fun beating the hell out of those shitheads once the sun goes down and nobody can tell us apart!

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