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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by colechristensen »

Some people say police attacking journalists are isolated incidents by a few bad eggs, most of them are doing the right thing.

Some people say protestors becoming violent, vandalizing, and looting are isolated incidents by a few bad eggs, most of them are doing the right thing.

Really similar thought processes go into those two, usually by people you can sort into camps of opposing worldviews. They're both right and both wrong, but it's surprising how similar the lines of thought are and how people can't see the other side is thinking just the same way.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by DaniloDias »

hmcdona1 wrote: post #89
imperio59 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where have you seen cops forcing weapons into the hands of someone on the ground? I haven't seen that. Definitely seen excessive use of force against seemingly peaceful protesters, but context is everything, and a 10 second snippet does not tell the full story of the interactions between that protester and that cop for the 45 minutes leading up to those 10 seconds. I tend to reserve my judgement on those types of vid…

There is definitely a video from a day or two ago of a cop on top of a protestor with his hand pinned to the ground the cop then moves his baton under the hand of the protester and keeps it pinned on top. He proceeds to then punch his hand trying to appear as if he wants him to let go. Also who gives a shit if they just got verbally harassed for an hour. I don’t get to lose my shit and delete a project because someon…

>> Also who gives a shit if they just got verbally harassed for an hour.

This statement is emblematic of the fundamental problem affecting our culture.

I hate excessive violence. I hate excessive force. I can’t take anyone seriously if they argue that bad behavior doesn’t matter. Your 8 hour day in retail or at the office is not the same as working law enforcement during a riot.

It is entitlement or stupidity.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by AaronFriel »

tw000001 wrote: post #76
hrishid wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how certain kinds of rhetoric from the political left demonizes police offers, it seems likely that many of them have found a home on the right.

This is something people are severely underestimating. If you slander and dehumanize 40-60% of the population with accusations of white supremacy, you're going to create a white supremacist movement where one did not previously exist.

I would like to believe that people have more personal agency than that, and that in fact, calling someone or their actions white supremacist does not make them such and instead causes them to reflect on what caused the accusation.

If merely calling someone or their actions white supremacist makes them suddenly start self-identifying as a white supremacist and they don't see a problem with that, maybe the original accusation wasn't that wrong?

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by itsgrimetime »

tw000001 wrote: post #76
hrishid wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how certain kinds of rhetoric from the political left demonizes police offers, it seems likely that many of them have found a home on the right.

This is something people are severely underestimating. If you slander and dehumanize 40-60% of the population with accusations of white supremacy, you're going to create a white supremacist movement where one did not previously exist.

There is literally zero historical evidence of this. Police forces have been attracting white supremacists for decades: http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-su...

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by klyrs »

lostmsu wrote: post #49
throwaway2048 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is plenty of video footage of journalists being directly targeted and attacked by the police.

Intentionally picked up from the crowd?

Intentionally picked up from a position that police told them was okay to take. Offered to move for a subsequent officer who confronted them, and were arrested for resisting arrest. Don't take my word for it, cameras were rolling the whole time. Governor acknowledges that this was improper.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/29/cnn-reporters-cover...

Another case where a reporter shows his credentials and gets arrested anyway. Attorney General acknowledges that the action was improper.

https://www.app.com/story/news/local/how-we-live/2020/06/01/...

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by staticassertion »

dnautics wrote: post #85
simonw wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't think police attacks on journalists counts as an "interesting new phenomenon"?

It's hardly new in the us.

It actually is. While the police have often attacked journalists I don't know that it has ever been so blatant, so well documented, and done so broadly across all journalists, even from the larger news networks that often have the clout and means to avoid such abuse.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by InvaderFizz »

Loughla wrote: post #35
starpilot wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're assuming most cops support Trump?

Yes. It's anecdotal at best, but all of the 6 cops I know have either "Trump 2020" or "Trump No More Bullshit" or (my personal favorite) "Trump Making Liberals Cry Since 2016" flags flying above the US flag at their homes. My baseline assumption is a vast majority of police/sheriffs/troopers support Trump. Is this incorrect?

My assumption is that the political affiliation of police officers will largely match the ratio of the area.

Majority blue areas will see more Democrat police, majority red (rural) will see more Republican sheriffs.

This is born out by the data I was able to find, but I can't vouch for the veracity: http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/

Sheriffs and State Troopers are very majority Republican, police are barely majority Democrat.

I suspect that if we had individual data per region, the affiliation would track with the local politics, maybe with +2 R across the board, or something like that.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by lostmsu »

Loughla wrote: post #81
lostmsu wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, you are. Please, refer to > https://study.com/academy/lesson/unlawful-assembly-failure-t...

So the part of that which isn't paywalled simply says that doing something illegal, or doing something legal in a threatening manner, can be broken up by police. Maybe it's in the full-text, but where does it say police can attack non-violent bystanders? Because I'm not seeing it in there.

I did not see behind paywall to, but here's a relevant quote:

> However, the second element is more difficult because it concerns gathering for lawful purposes and only becomes a violation when the gathering turns violent, boisterous, or tumultuous.

After it turns violent, police generally issues an order to disperse, and then proceeds to anti-riot measures. If you don't disperse after that lawful order, you are violating the law, which even most educated people don't seem to understand.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by deanCommie »

zubspace wrote: post #36

Here's another article uncovering the brutality of the police [1]. Some of the scenes are really inhuman [2] and I feel sorry for the poor people trying to make their voices heard. I hope, that both sides, the protesters and police force will find a way, to exit that spiral of violence. But right now it looks like this won't happen. It's a shame. If the state acts harder against protesters, journalists and civilian b…

> I hope, that both sides, the protesters and police force will find a way, to exit that spiral of violence. But right now it looks like this won't happen. It's a shame.

Is it a shame?

The only way this de-escalates is if the police violently repress the protests so hard that dissent is silenced. Which is what Trump wants. Which will only push the country further into authoritarianism.

And the police have shown themselves completely unwilling to self-interrogate their actions, and truly see themselves as the victim in this situation, justifying their reaction.

Honestly, I think the only way through this is down. There needs to be a violent insurrection from the left. Revolution is the ONLY way to enact societal change at this point.

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