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Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by sillysaurusx »

lostmsu wrote: post #6

I think it would show more nuanced sentiment to say, that on 110 occasions journalists ended up caught in aggressive police action since May 28. Current wording would have an implication for many people, that journalists were deliberately chosen as targets.

They were though. The videos out of twitter are completely horrifying. An endless wave of cops hearing "Reporter! Here's my badge! I am a reporter!" and just ... not caring. Bash their face, mace them, just follow orders. I saw a video where an officer smashed their video camera. A big one, the style a professional reporter uses.

It's our democracy. And we want to hope for the best. But damn if this isn't worrisome.

EDIT: Hehe, well. Sorry you got piled on. For what it's worth, I was very much on the side of the police about three days ago, so I had to do some soul searching. In case you're in the same boat: I urge you to go seek out and find some of the videos that people are upset about. It's not propaganda; it can't be. It's just footage from citizens.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by simonw »

Since this is happening simultaneously in many different cities around the country, I have to wonder if there are private Facebook or WhatsApp or Signal groups where police members are talking about this trend. I'd very much like to see those conversations.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by spike021 »

lostmsu wrote: post #6

I think it would show more nuanced sentiment to say, that on 110 occasions journalists ended up caught in aggressive police action since May 28. Current wording would have an implication for many people, that journalists were deliberately chosen as targets.

When you say that, it makes sense if perhaps police are just accidentally brushing by them while forcing their way up a street.

What the reality is is they are literally forcing themselves onto cameramen, pushing them into walls or other obstacles, hitting them.

That sounds pretty targeted to me.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by nencrystation »

lostmsu wrote: post #6

I think it would show more nuanced sentiment to say, that on 110 occasions journalists ended up caught in aggressive police action since May 28. Current wording would have an implication for many people, that journalists were deliberately chosen as targets.

A tragic case of passive voice addiction, reader.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by Trasmatta »

starpilot wrote: post #14
linsomniac wrote: post #2

I can imagine animosity from the leadership, for example classifying most journalists as "fake news", contributing to violence from the front line against them.

You're assuming most cops support Trump?

Most cops don't have to support Trump. Just the ones attacking journalists.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by tehwebguy »

fastball wrote: post #7
linsomniac wrote: post #2

I can imagine animosity from the leadership, for example classifying most journalists as "fake news", contributing to violence from the front line against them.

Which in turn was perhaps caused by "the news" going from being mostly journalists to mostly pundits with the rise of mass media.

Most news isn’t that, just cable news.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by morelisp »

alexpetralia wrote: post #13
kingkawn wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do not dismiss this new horrifying upswing in brutality with hollow generalizations

> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

'kingkawn's response is neither snarky, uncurious, unkind, or demanding. It's pleading against a particularly common kind of cynicism.

Whatever else you might think of this situation, it's impossible to deny something has shifted. Appeals to "it's just the same thing" are at best hollow, at worst placative.

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