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Re: Ask HN: Can you discuss CS in your native language?

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Post by soraminazuki »

sobamchan wrote: post #64
cryptonector wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you deal with programming languages' being so based on English?

(In Japanese) For beginners to medium level programmers, there are more than enough learning materials (online, books) in the language. We also have the Japanese words for most of CS terms such as object-oriented programming.

AFAIK the Japanese term for object-oriented programming is オブジェクト指向プログラミング (object shikou programming). They only translated the "oriented" part, which is a very generic term and not by any means technical.

Re: Ask HN: Can you discuss CS in your native language?

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Post by iddan »

In Israel, some people with technological army background or academic background, use Hebrew terms for CS. In the industry though (especially in the startup scene) English terms are more commonly used. There is a hybrid of English terms with Hebrew morphology. For example: "To merge" becomes "Le-marge-ge" (למרג׳ג׳) even though there is a Hebrew word for this action "Le-mazeg" (למזג). But as far as I'm aware studies for BCS are done mostly in Hebrew.

Re: Ask HN: Can you discuss CS in your native language?

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Post by detaro »

dillonmckay wrote: post #70
Barrin92 wrote: post #69

I'm German. theoretical CS and maths terms are no problem because they all have a German equivalent. More programming related lingo is more difficult because it's so heavily dominated by the anglosphere that I (and a lot of people I know) just adopt the english phrases. Like git vocabulary or language related stuff.

What about naming variables, classes, files, etc.?

Almost always English unless German domain-specific terms. Very rare exceptions, typically in some custom business application one person wrote.

Re: Ask HN: Can you discuss CS in your native language?

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Post by detaro »

wishinghand wrote: post #28
Vespasian wrote: post #21

Yes, I talk (almost) exclusively German to my co workers / friends etc. However a lot of CS specific English terms are used and adapted to fit German grammar. Example: Committest du in den Master oder hast du einen neuen Branch angelegt? (Are you comitting into the master branch or did you create a new one)

I’m curious as to why master and branch are borrowed rather than translated. Those seem straightforward enough to translate. But then again, I don’t speak German and I’m not a linguist.

For those specifically: Because those are the names the tools use, and it'd be annoying to talk using one word, turn around and type a different word in the terminal.

Generally, abstract or mathematical concepts tend to have German words, but even those aren't always used. Things specific to tools/technologies typically don't, and few bother coming up with German equivalents. And German doesn't mind integrating other words, even mixing them in compound nouns with German ones.

Re: Ask HN: Can you discuss CS in your native language?

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Post by Lhd »

phreack wrote: post #84

Coming from Latin America I would have never imagined before this thread that so many large countries would not teach CS in their own languages, and would have to speak in English amongst themselves! It's fascinating, over here we incorporate thousands of English words into the Spanish IT lingo, but while they can could roughly communicate in English, most people I know wouldn't be able to have a discussion entirely…

brazilian here, we also do that in portuguese, for example, "I debugged" becomes "eu debuguei"...

Re: Ask HN: Can you discuss CS in your native language?

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Post by Lhd »

mrunkel wrote: post #26
Vespasian wrote: post #21

Yes, I talk (almost) exclusively German to my co workers / friends etc. However a lot of CS specific English terms are used and adapted to fit German grammar. Example: Committest du in den Master oder hast du einen neuen Branch angelegt? (Are you comitting into the master branch or did you create a new one)

As someone who grew up bilingual German/English this is really hard for me, I end up getting really confused while speaking (in German) about technical to-I a because I’m never sure which words have been “eingedeutscht” and which haven’t. So I try to do in English and end up speaking Denglish instead. :). A personal failing of course, but amusing.

ahhahahahah perfect definition :) my native language is portuguese, but i'm working in english on the German speaking part of Switzerland (where they speak swiss german). Trying to learn german and distinguish when use the english words within a German sentence is like a lottery :D

Re: Ask HN: Can you discuss CS in your native language?

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Post by dntbnmpls »

matz1 wrote: post #72
cryptonector wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you deal with programming languages' being so based on English?

I do not see programming language as English. Sure it may use alphabet and borrow some english word but to me it still hardly english.

> I do not see programming language as English. Sure it may use alphabet and borrow some english word but to me it still hardly english.

Assembly language was invented and created in english to make it easier for english speaking developers to program. Nobody wants to program machine code.

Then higher level languages were invented to make it easier for english speaking developers to program. Nobody wants to write assembly code.

If java, javascript, C#, C, C++, etc aren't english language programming languages, then what language is it? Spanish? Japanese? Swedish?

Re: Ask HN: Can you discuss CS in your native language?

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Post by matz1 »

dntbnmpls wrote: post #147
matz1 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not see programming language as English. Sure it may use alphabet and borrow some english word but to me it still hardly english.

> I do not see programming language as English. Sure it may use alphabet and borrow some english word but to me it still hardly english. Assembly language was invented and created in english to make it easier for english speaking developers to program. Nobody wants to program machine code. Then higher level languages were invented to make it easier for english speaking developers to program. Nobody wants to write ass…

>If java, javascript, C#, C, C++, etc aren't english language programming languages, then what language is it?

What languages? Its a language in its own right. Its a programming language. Specifically java, javascript, C#, C, C++ language.

Re: Ask HN: Can you discuss CS in your native language?

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Post by matz1 »

kamyarg wrote: post #140
mrmanner wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Knowing English definitely is an advantage, but how big? If you’re not interested in an international careeer (many people aren’t), you have quality education available in your local language, and there’s a thriving local tech scene I don’t see why it has to be that much of a disadvantage. There are many other languages that are big and used by tens of millions of people. In most of those languages you can find all t…

From my personal experience, best example is "You see an exception/error, search google, click the first stackoverflow link". You can of course find the answer in your native language also, but it will be less likely it exists, it will be harder to find, and less "peer-reviewed".

Google search is engineered to show most relevant result for you. Of course it wouldn't show you other languages result.

There are tons of resources in other languages but you wouldn't aware of it, you wouldn't even know how to look for it because you don't know the language.

Re: Ask HN: Can you discuss CS in your native language?

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Post by arcturus17 »

jxub wrote: post #137
phreack wrote: post #84

Coming from Latin America I would have never imagined before this thread that so many large countries would not teach CS in their own languages, and would have to speak in English amongst themselves! It's fascinating, over here we incorporate thousands of English words into the Spanish IT lingo, but while they can could roughly communicate in English, most people I know wouldn't be able to have a discussion entirely…

Tiny difference, in continental Spain deploy is translated as "desplegar"

Which is arguably a really solid translation.

“America deployed her armies” => “América desplegó sus ejércitos”.

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