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Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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Are Zettelkasten the latest Hipster fad? A fortnight or so ago, I saw a link on HN mentioning 'Zettelkasten' and had to look up the word, because I'd never heard it before. Since then, there must have been a Zettelkasten reference at least every other day.

I got interested in building one about 6 months ago after finding Devine Lu Linvega's memex: https://wiki.xxiivv.com/site/home.html

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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> Zettelkasten is German for “slip-box”. It originates from German sociologist Niklas Luhmann. Should this implicate that Luhmann invented Noteboxes? Because this is absolute not the case. There are many famous Zettelkaesten from famous people. The most famous might be the Mundaneum, a kind of wikipedia in noteboxes, from around 1900. What Luhmann did was adding basic hypertext-principles to a common note-taking-tool…

"Zettelkasten" is a terminus technicus for the specific method Luhmann used. Nobody claims that Luhmann invented rectangular paper. That word isn't in general use in German, and it's certainly not in general use in English. So I don't see any confusion.

> Zettelkasten" is a terminus technicus for the specific method Luhmann used.

No, it is not. The term was already around decades before Luhmanns birth.

> That word isn't in general use in German

Wrong.

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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post #87

Are Zettelkasten the latest Hipster fad? A fortnight or so ago, I saw a link on HN mentioning 'Zettelkasten' and had to look up the word, because I'd never heard it before. Since then, there must have been a Zettelkasten reference at least every other day.

Feels more like viral marketing for Roam than anything.

Honestly I'm just glad that "Zettelkasten" as a concept is getting more exposure and it's being called what it is, instead of getting eaten up as "a part of Roam". The literal cult surrounding it certainly doesn't make it easy.

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're in a perceptive loop concerning this particular object (systems like this) then. You see future-self behaving as past-self did. You can keep doing that, looping. People who are natural contingency planners do this all the time--they map their past onto future-self. Flexing this muscle because it's strongest. However this is also a good way of preventing yourself from re-exploring new objects through a differen…

This is a pretty astonishing insight! @themodelplumber1 do you have more information about this? Either a blog post you have written, or a book you read (or wrote!) on the topic? Edit: ... and I checked out your profile and bookmarked your blog in my feed reader. Awesome!

I write a lot about perception in the blog there...Glad you found the feed. I think I host some of the world's top RSS feed-chipmunks :-)

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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post #110
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It's important to keep in mind that Zettelkasten's creator was an academic in the humanities. When I tried this system, I found it really shone when my goal was literature review -- i.e. to weave together arguments from disparate sources and articles, particularly when there was no quantitative or numeric way to do that weaving (e.g. in a table). I think that more technical and quantitative subjects do not benefit as…

> you gain nothing by creating a new linked note under the 'for loop construct' heading. Just do some practice problems instead! This is when you are learning very basics and not equivalent of literature review. The proper equivalent would be doing overview of current frameworks. Or learning about bitcoin where you are going through math, design, algorithm, economics considerations and social consideration. Or securi…

>overview of current frameworks

Or simply linking libraries to ideas for applications, and explaining how they fit together to provide end user functionality.

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Zettelkasten" is a terminus technicus for the specific method Luhmann used. Nobody claims that Luhmann invented rectangular paper. That word isn't in general use in German, and it's certainly not in general use in English. So I don't see any confusion.

> Zettelkasten" is a terminus technicus for the specific method Luhmann used. No, it is not. The term was already around decades before Luhmanns birth. > That word isn't in general use in German Wrong.

Believe it or not, but I'm a native speaker and I can say that I've never heard the word in any other context.

Despite the fact that the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leitner_system was pushed by just about every teacher.

The usual word is "Karteikasten", "(Lern-)Kartei" oder "Vokabelbox".

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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post #69

I searched for hours for a viable Zettelkasten method: org-mode, vim-org, TiddlyWiki, Roam, Notion, Joplin, Notable, Obsidian, Zettlr. All of them were too complex, and not lightweight, cross-compatible, private/secure, or futureproof enough. I decided to settle on the default MacOS editor using a mix of .txt/.rtf files, with extensive folder organization and the built-in tagging system. I plan on consolidating journ…

Would you mind sharing what caused you to abandon TiddlyWiki? I like the look of Notion and Roam, but I don’t like SaaS. I’m a few weeks into customising a TiddlyWiki instance and I am becoming quite committed to it. It seems to have the right balance of out-of-the-box functionality and customisability for me. But I am a little apprehensive about finding that it gets slow after a few years of use, or something like t…

Yeah, Roam looks exactly what I'd love to have, and I would pay a licence fee; however, I don't want my knowledge hosted somewhere else apart from my computer a my backup.

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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post #97
post #10

It's important to keep in mind that Zettelkasten's creator was an academic in the humanities. When I tried this system, I found it really shone when my goal was literature review -- i.e. to weave together arguments from disparate sources and articles, particularly when there was no quantitative or numeric way to do that weaving (e.g. in a table). I think that more technical and quantitative subjects do not benefit as…

I tried Zettelkasten a few months ago and I found a lot of what you said to be true. It also has a serious upfront labor overhead that really makes it hard to stick with. Then I discovered Building a Second Brain and it's P.A.R.A. method which was like Just-in-Time Zettelkasten and it's suddenly become a cornerstone of my productivity routine. I compare the two approaches in this blog post: I recently studied both Ze…

Great write up, thanks!

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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I personally found the archive[0] an excellent software to get started with a Zettelkasten. The forum and the blog posts on the site are great.

I'm also developing a CLI script to visualize your zettelkasten[1]. I mainly use it to print stats, like the number of connected components and find orphaned notes.

[0] https://zettelkasten.de/the-archive/

[1] https://github.com/BasilPH/vizel

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