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Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

#91
Thanks for sharing this. I had not heard of Zettelkasten, but it is just like the site https://mathlore.org I created to help people collect math knowledge to study, learn, and explore mathematics.

That is, just like in a Zettelkasten, mathlore.org is a collection of items where each one is a self contained piece of mathematical knowledge that links to other items. It is designed so that the more you add to the system, the more interconnected things are, and the more useful it is.

I also decided to use tags instead of categories too. It is really cool to see the creator of Zettelkasten decided the same.

Again thanks for sharing this because I tried to find others that had researched a similar approach for storing information that I was thinking of, but I couldn't find any. Now that I know about Zettelkasten I can gain a lot of knowledge in what works well and what doesn't in this approach.

It is really cool to know that there are others that like this approach.

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

#92
OneNote's Linked Notes Taking does exactly this. You can combine it with the "Dock to Desktop" / Docked Window feature which makes it hijack a part of the desktop space (to the RHS, typically) so that you can continue to take notes while reviewing stuff on the LHS. The window on the LHS can be another OneNote window (or one of the other Office applications), and as you type in the RHS, docked window, sentences are automatically linked to the page and line on the LHS.

Unfortunately, I didn't find a single video showing the power of both Linked Notes AND Dock to Desktop, but these two show the usage of these features separately:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyon2RC_NIQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_6QsFfk06s

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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post #25
post #22

People love doing things that feel like work, but aren’t. I’m terrified of picking up new systems like this without having a purpose. I could spend hours building out a graph, admiring all of MY knowledge, but not really have any intended use for it other than telling others about it and how I’m going to use it someday.

Do you know Vannevar Bush? Most note taking tools/systems are an approximation of a memex. I think it's worthwhile to develop a system along the lines of a memex because sharing knowledge effectively is how we all become more effective.

I recently stumbled upon [0] this quote from Walter Benjamin:

> Und heute schon ist das Buch, wie die aktuelle wissenschaftliche Produktionsweise lehrt, eine veraltete Vermittlung zwischen zwei verschiedenen Kartotheksystemen. Denn alles Wesentliche findet sich im Zettelkasten des Forschers, der's verfaßte, und der Gelehrte, der darin studiert, assimiliert es seiner eigenen Kartothek.

My translation:

> Already today the book, as tought by academia, is obsolete as transmitting information between two card file systems. Anything of substance is in the Zettelkasten of the researcher, who wrote it, and the scholar, who studies it, assimilates it in his own card file.

[0] https://www.heise.de/tp/features/Alles-Wesentliche-findet-si...

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

#94
I recently studied both Zettelkasten and Build a Second Brain's P.A.R.A note taking methods. They share some core principles but BASB seems much more practical for most people

The biggest difference was that Zettelkasten required a ton of work up-front, which made it nearly impossible for me to stick with it. BASB on the other had was more Just-in-Time based which makes it much easier to stick with.

I compared the two methods here: https://zainrizvi.io/blog/remembering-what-you-read-zettelka...

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

#95
post #22

People love doing things that feel like work, but aren’t. I’m terrified of picking up new systems like this without having a purpose. I could spend hours building out a graph, admiring all of MY knowledge, but not really have any intended use for it other than telling others about it and how I’m going to use it someday.

You're in a perceptive loop concerning this particular object (systems like this) then. You see future-self behaving as past-self did. You can keep doing that, looping. People who are natural contingency planners do this all the time--they map their past onto future-self. Flexing this muscle because it's strongest. However this is also a good way of preventing yourself from re-exploring new objects through a differen…

This is a pretty astonishing insight! @themodelplumber1 do you have more information about this? Either a blog post you have written, or a book you read (or wrote!) on the topic?

Edit: ... and I checked out your profile and bookmarked your blog in my feed reader. Awesome!

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

#96

Thanks for sharing this. I had not heard of Zettelkasten, but it is just like the site https://mathlore.org I created to help people collect math knowledge to study, learn, and explore mathematics. That is, just like in a Zettelkasten, mathlore.org is a collection of items where each one is a self contained piece of mathematical knowledge that links to other items. It is designed so that the more you add to the syste…

Interestingly, the same thing happened to me when I was designing my note-taking system. I made most of those design decision only to find about Zettelkasten later. It definitely feels like it is some sort of design space minimum.

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

#97
post #10

It's important to keep in mind that Zettelkasten's creator was an academic in the humanities. When I tried this system, I found it really shone when my goal was literature review -- i.e. to weave together arguments from disparate sources and articles, particularly when there was no quantitative or numeric way to do that weaving (e.g. in a table). I think that more technical and quantitative subjects do not benefit as…

I tried Zettelkasten a few months ago and I found a lot of what you said to be true. It also has a serious upfront labor overhead that really makes it hard to stick with.

Then I discovered Building a Second Brain and it's P.A.R.A. method which was like Just-in-Time Zettelkasten and it's suddenly become a cornerstone of my productivity routine.

I compare the two approaches in this blog post: I recently studied both Zettelkasten and Build a Second Brain (aka P.A.R.A) note taking methods. They share some core principles but BASB seems much more practical for most people

I compared the two here: https://zainrizvi.io/blog/remembering-what-you-read-zettelka...

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

#99
post #10

It's important to keep in mind that Zettelkasten's creator was an academic in the humanities. When I tried this system, I found it really shone when my goal was literature review -- i.e. to weave together arguments from disparate sources and articles, particularly when there was no quantitative or numeric way to do that weaving (e.g. in a table). I think that more technical and quantitative subjects do not benefit as…

As a programmer, every time I try to nail down the flow for a new program, I quickly realize that I'm just writing pseudo-code - and often, just straight code. Maybe the problem is English. Maybe there's a way to structure English sentences in a more precise and meaningful way with hypertext linking and structuring like a legal document? ...but for human-to-human communications?

Legal documents have cross-references to annexes/addendums. In addition, some words used are defined in the definitions section.

For contracts, there is a customary order, you start with subject of the contract and end with force majeure, severability, term etc.

I don’t believe there is a hyperlinked inherent structure in legal documents. Skilled lawyers can of course draft a meaningful, concise document. But, I think that’s analogous to a skilled programmer writing clear and understandable code.

Most lawyers I know dread formatting and checking for cross-refs.

However, I think we do have one quality, we are used to subconsciously analyze sentences for ambiguities, double meanings, logical contradictions etc. Therefore, lawyers may use English in a way that would do the least harm (or most harm depending on which side they’re on :)).

If we figured out natural language processing or (even if very unlikely) switched our legal documents to an unambigious context-free language such as Lojban, lawyers’ jobs could be entirely automated.

I suspect that impressively structured legal documents stem from templates that have been perfected over the years by multiple lawyers, battle-tested by actual use.

That’s my impression being a junior associate and normally doing the grunt work of checking cross-refs and formatting contracts.

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

#100
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's kind of like asking why one needs hypertext when a single text file should suffice. The fact that one is linking adds structure, and a simple text search will not be easy. ZK is mostly a Wiki, with some guidelines on how to decide when to link things, etc.

hyperlinks are relevant for navigation. here hyperlinks (as hashtags) are used for discovery. I can understand the first...but not the second if full text search was available.

If you have full text search you still have to know what to search for. With links the connection will still be there even if you forget about it.
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