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Military Helicopters Descend on Washington in Bizarre Low-Altitude Show of Force

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

jondwillis wrote: post #40
gre wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

General strike.

Default on debts, boycotts, deplatforming and platform advantages that could be leveraged. Lots of ways to cause pain where it hurts most...

> Have you tried prolonged, painful protest? That’s what I am preparing myself to do, mind, body, and soul. Honesty feeling hopeful for the first time in awhile, bullish on protest and I think that tech can be leveraged in a significant way

Looking over your posts in this thread, you seem eager to deploy censorship and violence so long as it’s against people you disagree with.

Surely that could never turn around on you! Right?

Think past your nose on this, think of there were even “sides” here and Obama was president and some far right people were causing riots, would you really want them to use censorship via “platform advantages” and violence of painful protest? Can you imagine no scenario where you aren’t on the side of the majority?

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Post by pm90 »

chrisco255 wrote: post #69
pm90 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't distract from what's happening my friend. The American President had absolutely no need to let loose the military on peaceful protestors as he did today, simply to get a photo op in front of a church. The majority of the protests across the country have been peaceful, with a minority engaging in rioting and looting. If that's what you choose to focus on, then you don't give a damn about justice.

Yes I choose to focus on that. It's destroying the fabric of these cities. It will cost these cities decades to come back, if ever, from the decimation. On the other side of this is poverty, ruin, and gang violence. That's what happens when you burn the core of your city down. I also see hateful graffiti sprayed all over my city about cops, despite the fact that the vast majority of them are peaceful and lawful and m…

I'm really sorry that your precious neighborhood has been defaced by graffiti. Its certainly as serious as the police systematically killing the people of non-white communities.

> It's destroying the fabric of these cities. It will cost these cities decades to come back, if ever, from the decimation. On the other side of this is poverty, ruin, and gang violence.

There is absolutely no evidence of anything close to that level of destruction of property. The majority of protests have been peaceful. And you seem to have no idea about what causes poverty, ruin and gang violence (hint: its not the destruction of Macy's stores).

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Post by dang »

somebrody wrote: post #68
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EDIT: Can someone not possibly support peaceful protests and the police shutting down riots/looters?

Go fuck yourself

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

IvyMike wrote: post #58
nodesocket wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't this past curfew (7pm in DC), which is illegal for them to be gathering?

Indeed it was a curfew violation. That is not a valid reason to illegally use the might of the US military.

> Indeed it was a curfew violation. That is not a valid reason to illegally use the might of the US military.

Is that a law you can cite or your opinion? I’m really asking, IDK

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Post by dang »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #55
somebrody wrote: post #2

I know from another thread about how the police use indiscriminate violence instead of de-escalation that this is totally ok with about half the people here. That half can go fuck themselves

EDIT: Can someone not possibly support peaceful protests and the police shutting down riots/looters?

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Post by dogma1138 »

Whatarethese wrote: post #51

Laser pointers are about to be bought out everywhere if this keeps going around the states. What is honestly the point of this? Show of force? Cool. Lots of people look scared based on these videos. Not.

Visors block them, that said even if they didn’t blinding a helicopter pilot hovering over a crowd is probably not a good idea.

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Post by ReticentVole »

pm90 wrote: post #73
ReticentVole wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a struggle to get George Floyd out of his car, and again into a police vehicle. Bodycam footage from the police, or a statement from them, has not been provided. We don't have the full facts. We know that George Floyd was a repeat criminal, with a record of armed violence, who was being arrested for another criminal act. Having a knee on his neck so long? Police incompetence. You know what else is police in…

Because there is no systemic pattern of cops killing Australian women, over and over and over and over again and not being charged at all. The police officer responsible was immediately fired and charged with murder, of which he was convicted [0]. Justice was served, what would people protest for? Compare that to Floyd, where it took sustained protests to get the main perpetrator arrested. When something terrible hap…

The systematic problem that needs to be fixed is the significantly higher rate of Black crime, particularly violent crime:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

There is no evidence of racial disparities in officer-involved shootings:

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

Black men are killed by a police at a higher rate because they commit crime at a higher rate.

And some of the reason for that is genetic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A

"In humans, an association between the 2R allele of the VNTR region of the gene and an increase in the likelihood of committing serious crime or violence has been found"

"5.5% of Black men, 0.1% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men carried the 2R allele"

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Post by NonEUCitizen »

whymauri wrote: post #63
MattGaiser wrote: post #57

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If we go back to the Kent State shooting, Gallup found that 58% blamed the students and 11% blamed the National Guard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings#Aftermath... I don't see it as a crazy idea that shooting some protestors would be popular.

I've told friends that I have a sinking feeling a Tiananmen Square-like event might happen soon in the US. I predict that there will be people online arguing the semantics of what constitutes a "massacre" or a "tragedy." I hope we never get to that.

Did you see the videos of police SUVs driving through the people? The tank in Tiananmen Square actually stopped.

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Post by NonEUCitizen »

option wrote: post #7

I wonder at what point the military will stop obeying criminal orders. Looking at the military leadership now, don’t fail us like certain police did.

They obeyed orders and participated in the illegal war in Iraq.

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Post by oyra »

pm90 wrote: post #82
chrisco255 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I choose to focus on that. It's destroying the fabric of these cities. It will cost these cities decades to come back, if ever, from the decimation. On the other side of this is poverty, ruin, and gang violence. That's what happens when you burn the core of your city down. I also see hateful graffiti sprayed all over my city about cops, despite the fact that the vast majority of them are peaceful and lawful and m…

I'm really sorry that your precious neighborhood has been defaced by graffiti. Its certainly as serious as the police systematically killing the people of non-white communities. > It's destroying the fabric of these cities. It will cost these cities decades to come back, if ever, from the decimation. On the other side of this is poverty, ruin, and gang violence. There is absolutely no evidence of anything close to th…

> There is absolutely no evidence of anything close to that level of destruction of property

right. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california/articles/...

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