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Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

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I find these projects potentially dangerous and for people who have been arrested in a state where the case is dismissed but they cannot expunge because of the type of charge. I was falsely arrested under the belief of arson. It happened when I was in my early 20s. The charges were dismissed and my expensive lawyer said it was the best deal to end it all. There wasn't even a fire and a cop that made the arrest had no…

I believe Reply All did a podcast on 'services' that essentially blackmail you by taking arrest records and placing them on the first page of google. So an arrest can become a black mark on your record. Or, you pay up. Pretty scummy stuff

Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

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Denver is so far from any other major city outside of their state. Do they expect us to believe that there are hordes of people from Colby, Kansas that drove for hours just to riot? Minneapolis is reasonable considering its the epicenter of the current issue and reasonable driving distance from Wisconsin.

What's so different between Minneapolis and Wisconsin that hordes of Wisconsinites would come to town to do things that Minneapolans would never do? That seems implausible, at least to a know-nothing outsider like me.

The only thing I can think of is to show support in the city where Floyd was killed.

Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

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Denver is so far from any other major city outside of their state. Do they expect us to believe that there are hordes of people from Colby, Kansas that drove for hours just to riot? Minneapolis is reasonable considering its the epicenter of the current issue and reasonable driving distance from Wisconsin.

What's so different between Minneapolis and Wisconsin that hordes of Wisconsinites would come to town to do things that Minneapolans would never do? That seems implausible, at least to a know-nothing outsider like me.

Minneapolis is where the inciting incident, the murder of George Floyd, occurred and thus became the epicenter of the current wave of protests.

Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

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I submitted a FOIA request last year for all parking citations issued in San Francisco. The data was truly extraordinary and showed clearly how simple street sweeping citations could lead to a car being towed, auctioned, and the owner (whose name/license plate is publicly listed if they overpaid or paid a citation twice [1]) losing their business and eventually moving elsewhere. I decided against publishing my resear…

> He now does business under the same name, but in Utah. It is interesting to think of how much tax revenue the city actually lost by fining a small business out of existence, which was likely much greater than the total punitive fines levied against him.

I'm not so sure about that, due to the nature of his business (plumbing).

There will be two broad categories of taxes that will be lost when a business moves away from San Francisco.

1. Taxes that are paid by the business itself, and

2. Taxes paid by individual employees of that business, such as income taxes and sales taxes, if those employees move with the business.

I'm not too familiar with San Francisco business taxes, but a brief bit of searching suggests that the bulk of it is a gross receipts tax and business personal property tax.

A plumbing business leaving San Francisco doesn't change the amount of plumbing that needs to be done in San Francisco, so presumably money that would have went to his gross receipts had he stayed just ends up in the gross receipts of some other plumber. I don't know if the gross receipts tax is flat or progressive, but if it is then the city might actually collect more on gross receipts with him gone.

The city will lose out on business personal property tax because presumably much of that goes with the business when it moves to Utah. Whatever plumbers in San Francisco get the work that would have went to him might need to increase their business personal property some, but it probably won't be enough to offset what is lost. A smaller number of bigger plumbers are going to be more efficient in this regards than a larger number of smaller plumbers, so any consolidation should lower the total amount of business personal property.

For the individual taxes, there are two groups to consider. First, employees who leave rather than move with the business. These probably have little impact. They still pay sales and income taxes--they just get the money for that from their new employers.

Second, there are the employees who move with the business. Their income tax and sale tax is lost.

If the city was hitting them with $1k/month in fines, that's $12k/year. Googling tells me the city income tax is a flat 1.5%, and the sales tax is 0.25%.

Let's assume that these employees spend half their taxable income on things subject to sales tax. Then they need to be making about $740k aggregate taxable income for their income plus sale taxes to be more than the parking fines. By "taxable income" I mean whatever it is that San Francisco charges 1.5% on.

Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

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The police issued an apology? How about we fire someone for this. There have to be consequences or the system doesn't work.

> How about we fire someone for this. There have to be consequences or the system doesn't work. Why do you think people are protesting or rioting? There are a ton of people who feel like their desire to change "the system" is falling on deaf ears. Elections and lawsuits are really the only meaningful power the average person has over those in power. Other than that, it's up to people in power to check others in power…

Time for some great ideas!

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- Eliminate civil forfeiture, an archaic part of the policing process

- Remove the sentencing discrepancies between crack and powdered cocaine, which needlessly exacerbate the racial welfare gap (Biden erote this law btw)

- Ensure all cops wear bodycams at all time so that their integrity can never be called into question without evidence.

- Implement a UBI so that impoverished minorities can claw themselves out of a dead end system.

Things we did do!

-----------------------

- Burned Target

It's the Occupy Wall Street idiocy all over again. If you're going to protest, you need to have S.M.A.R.T. goals in mind and make sure you don't lose public goodwill to fringe radical followers (looters).

Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

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The citizens of the united states of america have a 2nd amendment. I might be naive, but I think most populations around the world would have revolted much earlier if they were armed the way americans are.

> The citizens of the united states of america have a 2nd amendment. The 2A's only role in US society is to allow some people to buy some small arms some of the time and otherwise doesn't have any place in America until the country falls (at which point all of the laws/amendments are not relevant). It's not like you can use your weapon on a government official and claim under the 2A you were protecting yourself again…

> In the end, the political polarization is such that those who own lots of guns tend to be the same demographics who revere police/military/order and are currently in the camp that overlooks / detests the protesters, saying their complaints are overblown.

I'm steeped deep in gun culture in Texas, most of my friends online are in gun culture. We are all universally outraged by what happened to George Floyd and to others. The majority of us do not support looting and pillaging, but we do support the message of the protests. In fact, the gun community has been advocating for something to be done about police militarization and the negative side effects of the War on Drugs for decades.

It is this weird thing how political divisions work, because so many people on the Left in this country assume "gun owner" == "racist white man, thin blue line, thank you for your service".

The reality is a sizable proportion of gun owners in America are lumped into a generic "conservative" bucket because of some specific issue viewpoints, which have nothing to do with actual worldview. By and large, gun owners tend to be more Libertarian than conservative, and as such view the government and the police with distrust. They view people breaking the law with even more distrust, which is why they may often support the police, but they do not support police brutality and they have deep concerns about policing in America.

It was the Libertarian think-tank The Cato Institute that spent years collating every single failed no-knock raid in America and mapping them. It's Libertarian writers like Radley Balko who've published multiple books on police misconduct. These groups and people who are opposed to police misconduct on the grounds of preserving liberty are part of gun culture.

It's really weird to me being in the tech industry as I see it's shift Leftward politically and being inundated with utterly ridiculous caricatures of people who hold similar viewpoints to me. Gun owners aren't a homogenous group, and by and large your caricature of a racist Elmer Fudd is grossly inaccurate. I have most of my teeth, am educated, work in a knowledge field, am politically active in causes which matter to me, most of which align with the positions of the Left somewhat ironically, and yes I own guns.

The real reason gun owners aren't starting an insurrection is because we have too much to lose and very little to gain. The reason CHL holders are the demographic with the lowest crime rate in the US, and why most gun owners own many guns (which are expensive, by the way) is because as a cohort we are people who uphold order, make prudent financial and life decisions, and take our responsibilities seriously (because of course, we regularly handle deadly weapons). Insurrection has a nearly incalculable cost in human lives, has no guarantee of the end result being a better system, and essentially ends every positive thing that currently exists in your life in the blink of an eye. As you said, the 2A isn't an affirmative defense in court if you go around shooting government employees, so only people who are so thoroughly radicalized that they've effectively already distanced themselves out of society and thrown their lives away are willing to be the one to fire the first shot.

It has basically nothing to do with political affiliations and everything to do with common sense and basic prudence.

Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

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> The citizens of the united states of america have a 2nd amendment. The 2A's only role in US society is to allow some people to buy some small arms some of the time and otherwise doesn't have any place in America until the country falls (at which point all of the laws/amendments are not relevant). It's not like you can use your weapon on a government official and claim under the 2A you were protecting yourself again…

> In the end, the political polarization is such that those who own lots of guns tend to be the same demographics who revere police/military/order and are currently in the camp that overlooks / detests the protesters, saying their complaints are overblown. I'm steeped deep in gun culture in Texas, most of my friends online are in gun culture. We are all universally outraged by what happened to George Floyd and to oth…

>The reason CHL holders are the demographic with the lowest crime rate in the US, and why most gun owners own many guns (which are expensive, by the way) is because as a cohort we are people who uphold order, make prudent financial and life decisions, and take our responsibilities seriously (because of course, we regularly handle deadly weapons).

I agree with almost everything you said. Just one small point - I suspect the reason why CHL holders are the demographic with the lowest crime rate in the US is because it’s the only demographic that actively screens for past crimes before allowing you to be a member.

Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

#78

I'm not sure the goal of this project but collecting criminal arrest information and making it public is not going to help anyone who's been wrongfully arrested, or anyone who's had their charge expunged. I'm fairly sure that storing and exposing this data improperly without respect to subsequent court actions is in violation of the law.

That's pretty much what mugshots are. Companies already slurp up those mugshots and publish them and extort those arrested to pay to take them down.

Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

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> How about we fire someone for this. There have to be consequences or the system doesn't work. Why do you think people are protesting or rioting? There are a ton of people who feel like their desire to change "the system" is falling on deaf ears. Elections and lawsuits are really the only meaningful power the average person has over those in power. Other than that, it's up to people in power to check others in power…

Time for some great ideas! --------------- - Eliminate civil forfeiture, an archaic part of the policing process - Remove the sentencing discrepancies between crack and powdered cocaine, which needlessly exacerbate the racial welfare gap (Biden erote this law btw) - Ensure all cops wear bodycams at all time so that their integrity can never be called into question without evidence. - Implement a UBI so that impoveris…

I don't think there is enough political will to rally peacefully for real structural change. The average person does not want to rock the boat, they just want to go about their daily lives even if it is harder than normal, or if their kin are only "randomly" targeted as bad as that may sound.

I've seen it happening in a country that has actually, super explicit structural racist policies and laws against a minority group, and the minority just does not do anything because they're "kinda okay". They don't riot, or have any large-scale protests. They barely do protests, and even then it's rare.

I also grew up in a another country that crumbled under an authoritarian government. The government meddled with elections, caused election violence, was instigating for youth-brigade members to cause violence, seized private property, the economy exploded with thousand digit inflation, people went for weeks with barely intermittent water or electricity, etc. And still, the best people could muster was to either "leave" whilst those that stayed did their utmost best to help each-other out to make life barely not miserable.

Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

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> How about we fire someone for this. There have to be consequences or the system doesn't work. Why do you think people are protesting or rioting? There are a ton of people who feel like their desire to change "the system" is falling on deaf ears. Elections and lawsuits are really the only meaningful power the average person has over those in power. Other than that, it's up to people in power to check others in power…

Time for some great ideas! --------------- - Eliminate civil forfeiture, an archaic part of the policing process - Remove the sentencing discrepancies between crack and powdered cocaine, which needlessly exacerbate the racial welfare gap (Biden erote this law btw) - Ensure all cops wear bodycams at all time so that their integrity can never be called into question without evidence. - Implement a UBI so that impoveris…

How about instead of spending trillions of dollars we don't have on UBI we actually do something that will make a difference:

1. End the war on drugs 2. Fire bad cops 3. End Qualified Immunity 4. End Civil Asset Forfeiture 5. Collect stats on every-time police force is used

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