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Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

#11
I searched for hours for a viable Zettelkasten method: org-mode, vim-org, TiddlyWiki, Roam, Notion, Joplin, Notable, Obsidian, Zettlr.

All of them were too complex, and not lightweight, cross-compatible, private/secure, or futureproof enough.

I decided to settle on the default MacOS editor using a mix of .txt/.rtf files, with extensive folder organization and the built-in tagging system. I plan on consolidating journal entries into subject categories.

Example: let’s say I learn something about investing. I write something brief about it in my \journal folder, tag it under investing, then maybe save a .pdf of the source to my \investing\temp folder.

Next, I add the new info to a note under the relevant category, such as \investing\ETFs.txt

Or, I create a new .txt/.rtf (depending my needs)

I believe tags are saved as metadata, so it should be cross-compatible.

For books, I’ll structure it as \library\broad_category \book_name\chapter_n.txt, add the relevant folder tag, and maybe add an alias/shortcut in the relevant folder. I summarize key points under relevant files such as \investing\ETFs.txt

This seems like the best method to me, but I’m open to other strategies.

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

#12
post #8

> Though it’s still early days, adopting a Zettelkasten has been one of my most productive habits. If productivity is measured against the volume of notes taken, sure. Otherwise probably not. Notes are an intermediate step to build something else, which is the real output on which productivity is usually measured.

Your comment pretty much perfectly captures what I haven't been able to articulate when it comes to how productivity and the methods by which to achieve it are constantly fetishized. It really makes me wonder if every Joe Shmoe touting the benefits of method X or tool Y really is productive in the "classical sense" or just seems that way because in their own microcosm the only way to measure it is by the volume of notes.

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

#13
post #10

It's important to keep in mind that Zettelkasten's creator was an academic in the humanities. When I tried this system, I found it really shone when my goal was literature review -- i.e. to weave together arguments from disparate sources and articles, particularly when there was no quantitative or numeric way to do that weaving (e.g. in a table). I think that more technical and quantitative subjects do not benefit as…

As a programmer, every time I try to nail down the flow for a new program, I quickly realize that I'm just writing pseudo-code - and often, just straight code.

Maybe the problem is English. Maybe there's a way to structure English sentences in a more precise and meaningful way with hypertext linking and structuring like a legal document? ...but for human-to-human communications?

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

#14

I searched for hours for a viable Zettelkasten method: org-mode, vim-org, TiddlyWiki, Roam, Notion, Joplin, Notable, Obsidian, Zettlr. All of them were too complex, and not lightweight, cross-compatible, private/secure, or futureproof enough. I decided to settle on the default MacOS editor using a mix of .txt/.rtf files, with extensive folder organization and the built-in tagging system. I plan on consolidating journ…

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Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

#15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate why?

Whether you agree with any particular Controversial Political Figure or not, using one as an example will annoy about 50% of your audience (variable, of course, with your audience's current politicization and self-selection). Using neutral examples will help keep the focus on your message rather than incidental politics.

> will annoy about 50%

Why? I'm conservative but I've taken tips from Obama and Bill Clinton. A good idea is a good idea. That Obama and Clinton are successful is all the more reason to pay attention when they give productivity advice, even though I disagree with several of their policies.

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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I searched for hours for a viable Zettelkasten method: org-mode, vim-org, TiddlyWiki, Roam, Notion, Joplin, Notable, Obsidian, Zettlr. All of them were too complex, and not lightweight, cross-compatible, private/secure, or futureproof enough. I decided to settle on the default MacOS editor using a mix of .txt/.rtf files, with extensive folder organization and the built-in tagging system. I plan on consolidating journ…

The problems with tags last time I searched were that they weren't really that robust, some file systems don't support them and the applications that manipulate files may erase them. Have you ever encountered such problems ?

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

#17

I searched for hours for a viable Zettelkasten method: org-mode, vim-org, TiddlyWiki, Roam, Notion, Joplin, Notable, Obsidian, Zettlr. All of them were too complex, and not lightweight, cross-compatible, private/secure, or futureproof enough. I decided to settle on the default MacOS editor using a mix of .txt/.rtf files, with extensive folder organization and the built-in tagging system. I plan on consolidating journ…

I use NoteSelf, which is a variant / add-on / expansion of tiddlywiki. It requires an accessible CouchDB backend hosted somewhere on the internet, but once that bit of infrastructure is setup it's almost universally accessible.

I've barely scratched the surface of tiddlywiki's features, but linking ideas together is easy, in that you can link individual "ideas" (in the form of individual articles, referred to as tiddlers) from each other, and it also supports tagging, and there are built-in scripts for iterating tiddlers with chosen tags.

No affiliation, just a very happy user.

https://noteself.org/

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

#18

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Care to elaborate why?

He's an anti-scientific schmuck. I basically stopped reading this post 3 sentences after seeing the reference to JP, as clearly this person can't distinguish what's shit from what's useful, as evidenced by this over-involved note overaccumulation system.

Also sure, what's-his-face wrote 70 books, but I had never heard of him before. Quantity before volume please, is what note-taking should be about.

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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post #8

> Though it’s still early days, adopting a Zettelkasten has been one of my most productive habits. If productivity is measured against the volume of notes taken, sure. Otherwise probably not. Notes are an intermediate step to build something else, which is the real output on which productivity is usually measured.

The only note taking approach that's ever worked for me:

1. Read/listen/absorb

2. Write down (or tweet) ideas it creates while you're absorbing

3. Wait

4. Create

Your mind (or at least mine) finds connections you aren't even aware of and when the time comes, when the right prompt sparks, there it is. The knowledge is ready to be used.

Use search and half remembered stuff to find direct citations and brush up on details when necessary. The internet-as-extended-noosphere metaphor works great here.

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate why?

Whether you agree with any particular Controversial Political Figure or not, using one as an example will annoy about 50% of your audience (variable, of course, with your audience's current politicization and self-selection). Using neutral examples will help keep the focus on your message rather than incidental politics.

Well, part of me agrees, but for argument purposes I'd say that some people will be annoyed because someone uses made up names of people who doesn't even exist. Also, I'm not sure if 50% people would be annoyed if OP would use "Justin Bieber" instead of Jordan P.

Also, taking this example further, even if we take an ideally altruistic scenario, where a person would walk on the sidewalk, and throw money away for free, so everyone could just come and pick it up, then there still would be some people that would be annoyed: 1) they didn't know about this fact at the same time as some other people, so they weren't able to come and pick up the money, 2) other people got more money than them, 3) they worked hard through the entire life and now people get money for free, 4) etc, etc.

So, everything can be argued like this, there will be people who will like something, and there will be people who will dislike the same thing. I think Bjarne Stroustrup has summed it up pretty accurately:

> There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses.

That's why I've specifically asked about kirbysayshi's thought process (although I secretly suspect there wasn't any process at all).

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