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Weird--I lurk a lot in the unseemly corners of the Internet, and I can't recall ever having seen a piece of disinformation that wasn't obviously so. I wonder if this isn't blown a bit out of proportion. There's a lot of difference between a "war of the worlds" piece that a lot of people might actually believe, and a "trump is a literal nazi" piece that everyone knows is hyperbole.
That's because you didn't notice the disinformation that was plausible.
EDIT: removed my comment because it turns out I was very wrong apparently.. sorry
Well, that's because a number of the protestors said exactly that all over social media. I don't see how that would be misinformation. Here's but one example: https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1266286100743520257
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The right uses 'Antifa' as a catch all term for anyone on the left doing anything they don't like. It's a meaningless label, but not enough people get that.
There are definitely people who proudly identify as "Antifa". And a pretty good number of them are what one might generically describe as agitators (at least). If nothing else, they seem to be the douchebags defacing war memorials.
What an odd thing to do. Which memorials?
Weird--I lurk a lot in the unseemly corners of the Internet, and I can't recall ever having seen a piece of disinformation that wasn't obviously so. I wonder if this isn't blown a bit out of proportion. There's a lot of difference between a "war of the worlds" piece that a lot of people might actually believe, and a "trump is a literal nazi" piece that everyone knows is hyperbole.
That's because you didn't notice the disinformation that was plausible.
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Isn't having a loose association of slightly-organized people who vehemently oppose fascism be declared as a "terrorist organization" already starting down the authoritarian path?
They don't oppose fascism. Antifa is literally fascism and differs only in its mandate of which speech is allowed and which is not. Indeed the mechanism which you see in all totalitarian movement, from Nazis to ISIS. It's completely at odds with democracy and free speech.
I'm seeing false accusations of Antifa starting violence all over the place. It's the right-wing's boogieman-du-jours, and likely false-flag representation at best. Edit: Downvoters– tell me why you're downvoting this? Why would Antifa purposefully take actions that would deliberately cause an armed police response to otherwise-peaceful protests? Edit 2 since I can no longer post responses: Clearly the misinformation…
Why don't you ask who's paying them?
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Unfortunately the mainstream has portrayed "antifa" as some kind of covert organization acting inappropriately. They fail to point out that antifa is literally short for anti-fascist. In other words, unless you're pro-fascism, you're anti-fascist by default. It's akin to calling yourself a liberal or conservative.
This is not how it works. Antifa has a specific meaning. Similar to how having carbon in a product is not enough to say that it is organic. Or how just publishing your source code online is not enough to make your program open source.
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Unfortunately the mainstream has portrayed "antifa" as some kind of covert organization acting inappropriately. They fail to point out that antifa is literally short for anti-fascist. In other words, unless you're pro-fascism, you're anti-fascist by default. It's akin to calling yourself a liberal or conservative.
No. Antifa is more than just anti-fascist, and not everyone who is anti-fascist is Antifa. There are plenty of people who are not pro-fascist, but also are not pro-brawling-with-the-Proud-Boys-in-the-streets. In fact, the Proud Boys could use the same logic. Are you ashamed of America's heritage? No? Then you're one of the Proud Boys. The logic in either case is completely false. In fact, this is one of the standard…
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There are definitely people who proudly identify as "Antifa". And a pretty good number of them are what one might generically describe as agitators (at least). If nothing else, they seem to be the douchebags defacing war memorials.
> defacing war memorials. What an odd thing to do. Which memorials?
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/world-war-ii-memorial-vandal...
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/05/25/veterans-ange...
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/crime-courts/2020/05/25/Wa...
https://www.stripes.com/news/veterans/va-headquarters-vandal...
https://www.wcax.com/content/news/Veterans-memorial-monument...
A bit older:
https://www.kptv.com/news/3-arrested-vandalism-suspect-wante...
This is just a few links--there are many more. As far as I'm concerned, this is all you need to know about Antifa. You should make up your own mind, though.
It seems like there is some serious disinformation/psych ops working overtime across the internet right now; the tone is weirdly hostile. I would hope people would question the motivation of obviously divisive rhetoric, but it's clear that is a resounding no. As they say, people always buy with their emotions. I'm afraid the days of an open internet are quickly closing.
Agent provocateurs are a known thing.
For all his stupid ramblings, long before the days of Twitter and Facebook shitposting, you had Alex Jones running around with a recording crew filming events like the Bilderberg meetings, discussing and laying out all the disinformation and psyops/AP tactics that you're seeing unfold here.
Because this same stuff was used, in the past, to discredit people like him.
So this whole bleeding heart "open internet" thing strikes a rather dull chord with me in light of 1) how long this has been going on for, 2) how effective it remains.