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Re: Protests become fertile ground for online disinformation

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The right uses 'Antifa' as a catch all term for anyone on the left doing anything they don't like. It's a meaningless label, but not enough people get that.

There are definitely people who proudly identify as "Antifa". And a pretty good number of them are what one might generically describe as agitators (at least). If nothing else, they seem to be the douchebags defacing war memorials.

"War memorials."

Re: Protests become fertile ground for online disinformation

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post #11

I'm seeing false accusations of Antifa starting violence all over the place. It's the right-wing's boogieman-du-jours, and likely false-flag representation at best. Edit: Downvoters– tell me why you're downvoting this? Why would Antifa purposefully take actions that would deliberately cause an armed police response to otherwise-peaceful protests? Edit 2 since I can no longer post responses: Clearly the misinformation…

it seems like the term "antifa" is code for "militant lefties".

So how does one be a part of the "Anti Fascist" movement without being "antifa" ?

Re: Protests become fertile ground for online disinformation

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post #41

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It all depends on where the violence is directed. People are protesting police killing a black civilian. Now, if Antifa were to show up, who would they attack, the protesters or the police? The police. If the alt-right showed up, who would they attack? The protesters. Well, who's getting attacked? Not the protesters. So that fits with it being Antifa rather than the alt-right... ... unless it's a false flag, or alt-r…

Here in Pittsburgh, it was literally the latter.

Sorry, literally the latter what? Violence aimed at protesters? Or accelerationists?

Re: Protests become fertile ground for online disinformation

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post #28

White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter - https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-was...

NBC is the same company that, back in the 90s, constantly said things on TV like, “a black man”, “group of black teens”, etc., every time any crime was committed by African Americans, as if race was a necessary part of the story.

I can’t tell you where to find real news, but what I can tell you is that, if you’re getting your information from NBC or CNN or Fox or CBS or any other major network, you are consuming pure propaganda.

Re: Protests become fertile ground for online disinformation

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Stop treating Twitter as news. It's trash, bots, and trashy bots all the way down.

With the recent protests it's been difficult to find local news coverage. But I found tweets, I found livestreams, but I couldn't find any reporters covering some of the most impactful demonstrations in my city in decades. In that moment, Twitter was critical. There is a lot of bots and trash, but it has it moments where it is a wonderful tool. This is one of them. Show me a believable bot that's going to fake a live…

They don’t have to fake it, they can just film (or filter through) 500 scenes and only retweet the ones that fit their narrative while discarding the rest.

Re: Protests become fertile ground for online disinformation

#57

Any technical solutions to this that HN can think of? Twitter tracing traffic? Anomaly detection on tweet contents to find tweets from hacked accounts like the one in the article? Some sort of CA type model? I feel like this is a technical problem that could have a technical solution.

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Re: Protests become fertile ground for online disinformation

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post #11

I'm seeing false accusations of Antifa starting violence all over the place. It's the right-wing's boogieman-du-jours, and likely false-flag representation at best. Edit: Downvoters– tell me why you're downvoting this? Why would Antifa purposefully take actions that would deliberately cause an armed police response to otherwise-peaceful protests? Edit 2 since I can no longer post responses: Clearly the misinformation…

Unfortunately the mainstream has portrayed "antifa" as some kind of covert organization acting inappropriately. They fail to point out that antifa is literally short for anti-fascist. In other words, unless you're pro-fascism, you're anti-fascist by default. It's akin to calling yourself a liberal or conservative.

This is not how it works. Antifa has a specific meaning. Similar to how having carbon in a product is not enough to say that it is organic. Or how just publishing your source code online is not enough to make your program open source.

Re: Protests become fertile ground for online disinformation

#59

Weird--I lurk a lot in the unseemly corners of the Internet, and I can't recall ever having seen a piece of disinformation that wasn't obviously so. I wonder if this isn't blown a bit out of proportion. There's a lot of difference between a "war of the worlds" piece that a lot of people might actually believe, and a "trump is a literal nazi" piece that everyone knows is hyperbole.

That's because you didn't notice the disinformation that was plausible.

Re: Protests become fertile ground for online disinformation

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Weird--I lurk a lot in the unseemly corners of the Internet, and I can't recall ever having seen a piece of disinformation that wasn't obviously so. I wonder if this isn't blown a bit out of proportion. There's a lot of difference between a "war of the worlds" piece that a lot of people might actually believe, and a "trump is a literal nazi" piece that everyone knows is hyperbole.

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