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Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

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There's a project/movement forming to gather police data and make it accessible. They are working on scrapers and filing FOIA requests for the information. They are calling for volunteers and need technical folks like us. https://www.reddit.com/r/DataPolice/wiki/how_to_contribute

yup, this is the same group/movement

Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

#52
How about you look at FBI data which says that

i) blacks commit 20x more interracial crime than whites; ii) blacks are responsible for 50% of the crime in the US despite being only 13% of the population.

Really, really disappointing watching all these WASP-descended tech workers get on their knees for a minority group that both despises whites and is responsible for their own failings. It's humiliating - stop!

Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

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Okay, so some PROBABLY BAD THINGS about this project. I'm 100% convinced that this group is an astroturfing project, but I don't know to what end.

1. This group believes that police officer names should be redacted from all police documents. They also think that Court case IDs should be redacted because it might be PII.

2. The owner of the group is accepting police officers into their ranks, and suggestions of inviting FBI agents and police commanders have been taken seriously. When I tried to point out that this was a bad idea, I was told I was "gaslighting" the group.

3. They have no legal representation. The closest they have (as of yesterday) is a legal researcher. This researcher is very green.

4. The creator of the group is a marketing expert who is a co-owner of a marketing company named frac.tl that specializes in making things go viral using emotional issues. While that in itself might not be a bad thing, it should make trusting this movement a bit more difficult.

5. The blog post that 'started' this had three different author names, and was recently changed two weeks ago. The 'current author' has told me that this is because the website editor was changed twice. Again, not something bad in itself, but combine it with everything..

6. The blog post that started this all is on lawsuit.org, which is owned by frac.tl. Instead of representing themselves as owners of frac.tl, the creators of this group represent themselves as lawsuit.org.

7. The owner of the group has given admin permissions to the group to people that she's never met. They have full rights to do whatever they want, including kick/ban/view email addresses.

FWIW, in the past 6mo, I've been heavily involved in police accountability work. Still new to it, but the folks that I've talked to who do this work more than I agree that this is a suspicious group.

If you want to support projects like this, please donate to your local police accountability groups instead!

Will post links in a bit.

Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

#54
post #53

Okay, so some PROBABLY BAD THINGS about this project. I'm 100% convinced that this group is an astroturfing project, but I don't know to what end. 1. This group believes that police officer names should be redacted from all police documents. They also think that Court case IDs should be redacted because it might be PII. 2. The owner of the group is accepting police officers into their ranks, and suggestions of inviti…

Any chance of finding open data/projects that are tied to organizations like the ACLU? Could the sad reality be we are at square one?

What’s the gold standard here?

Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

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Someone told me the other day that they had investigated the Minneapolis police blotter, after the reporting that the majority of people arrested were from out of state. That investigation turned up that the blotter didn't agree, and shortly after it was revealed the police issued an apology. Denver made a similar report, but have not made their arrest records public, for some reason...

Trump turned military on their own citizens after dissidence, instead of trying to calm shit down.

Someone told you, not on paper of course but it's not a stretch to believe.

Whats easy to believe is the insane underlining racism that exists in the US. Leader of the world ? I think my Grandfather who was a lil racist (innocently enough in my upbringing. Wouldn't shop at a chinese store etc, never would act on it. Never. I imagine he'd turn his grave at the US.

The US is probably up there with the most racist country on the planet. That's insane. Might be a close cut though with Russia.

All that said, let it sink in, you've a leader who just turned the military on US citizens.

The America of the land of the free and brave.. Kinda doesn't apply anymore.

Well done America. You destroyed the ideal of what you sold everyone (that works better elsewhere).

Been nice knowing you. Enjoy.

Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

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I work for a company that provides software and hardware for police agencies across America.

I have been trying to think of ways to help. Some thoughts:

1. Publicly track the FOIA status of video evidence at a given agency

2. Verify the authenticity of videos floating around on the internet

3. Create a way for citizens to verify the identities of officers in an area who use our technology

4. Put out a public portal on the capabilities of body cameras by agency: what exactly they record, how and when officers can disable them, and more

Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

#57

I find these projects potentially dangerous and for people who have been arrested in a state where the case is dismissed but they cannot expunge because of the type of charge. I was falsely arrested under the belief of arson. It happened when I was in my early 20s. The charges were dismissed and my expensive lawyer said it was the best deal to end it all. There wasn't even a fire and a cop that made the arrest had no…

This sounds similar to the "right to be forgotten" concept in EU law where citizens can complain to Google to have their records removed from the search engine, but there is no way to delete all data about the incident. I don't want to trivialize the pain a wrongful arrest ad bullying caused, but I think the solution to the underlying problem is more sunlight, not less. Without being able to see how many wrongful/unf…

Oh my life was ruined at the time and I had to leave for another university. So I like to think you're not trivializing it. Happened in the USA and so no way to have the right to be forgotten. I ended up changing my name.

Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I unaware of any legal authority one could use to remove public information from GitHub, even after expungement of the public record itself. These are not works covered under copyright that a DMCA takedown notice would apply to. You’re still correct that datasets such as these might need to be globally distributed, instead of hosted with a single commercial provider.

Criminal records are owned by the jurisdiction which served the case. These are governed by state and federal laws. You are also subject to severe defamation lawsuits and anyone contributing to this repo can be held personally culpable. This is not about copyright. EDIT I'm not going to do your legal homework for you, but this is South Carolina, for example. As stated above, each of the 50 United States has various l…

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Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How about we fire someone for this. There have to be consequences or the system doesn't work. Why do you think people are protesting or rioting? There are a ton of people who feel like their desire to change "the system" is falling on deaf ears. Elections and lawsuits are really the only meaningful power the average person has over those in power. Other than that, it's up to people in power to check others in power…

The citizens of the united states of america have a 2nd amendment. I might be naive, but I think most populations around the world would have revolted much earlier if they were armed the way americans are.

> The citizens of the united states of america have a 2nd amendment.

The 2A's only role in US society is to allow some people to buy some small arms some of the time and otherwise doesn't have any place in America until the country falls (at which point all of the laws/amendments are not relevant). It's not like you can use your weapon on a government official and claim under the 2A you were protecting yourself against the government. You still get prosecuted for murder; only jury nullification would save you at that point.

> if they were armed the way americans are

You forget that our military is the largest in the world with lots of recent experience in {counterinsurgency, counterterrorism, and psychological operations}. They also have some of the best tools for identifying where most people are and are capable of shutting off most mass communications within the US if they needed to.

In the end, the political polarization is such that those who own lots of guns tend to be the same demographics who revere police/military/order and are currently in the camp that overlooks / detests the protesters, saying their complaints are overblown. I'm pretty sure that's largely due to a sustained PR effort by the post-WW2 Defense Department including sponsorships of sporting events that are more likely to attract those same demographics.

Re: The Police Data Accessibility Project

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Okay, so some PROBABLY BAD THINGS about this project. I'm 100% convinced that this group is an astroturfing project, but I don't know to what end. 1. This group believes that police officer names should be redacted from all police documents. They also think that Court case IDs should be redacted because it might be PII. 2. The owner of the group is accepting police officers into their ranks, and suggestions of inviti…

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